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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #25 on: 2017-10-13, 13:38:14 »
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Every one of those circuits and demonstrations starts with ordinary electricity input and produces regular old ordinary electricity output, which can be very hot indeed. If you think it is "cold" then I dare you to stick your finger in there and report what happens. RF burns can be very painful and slow to heal-- they basically represent volumes of dead, cooked flesh, still embedded in the living flesh around them. Very painful indeed.

Once again... what is cold electricity?  I'm asking for a definition, not some ancient, well-explored schematic, or some misdemonstration where the demonstrator doesn't fully understand what is being demonstrated, or some "experiment" that doesn't even have a hypothesis to test, much less actually tests one.

What is cold electricity? The answer should begin with "Cold electricity is...." and should continue with some explanation as to how it is different from "ordinary" or "hot" electricity. Notes on how to produce it can be nice (if they work), but first let's see if we can pin down what it is and how it differs from the "ordinary" electricity that will produce painful hot burns and set stuff on fire and blow up capacitors etc. 
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #26 on: 2017-10-14, 03:49:48 »
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It's not the electricity that is hot or cold but the physical material that becomes hot or cold. Frost or ice is typically cited which leads me to think some endothermic process is going on - some process that causes the electric or magnetic field to absorb heat from the material causing it to cool and condense water vapor from the air around the material to form frost or ice. The key would be the material that is being cooled.

It may be more misinterpreting (intentionally or not) of Tesla's words. A link to Tesla and “cold electricity” can be found in the "On Roentgen Rays" article of March 11, 1896 in Electrical Review: “After some time the reddish light subsides, the streams becoming again white, whereupon they get weaker and weaker, wavering around the electrode until they finally disappear: Meanwhile, the phosphorescence of the glass grows more and more intense, and the spot where the stream strikes the wall becomes very hot, while the phosphorescence around the electrode ceases and the latter cools down to such an extent that the glass near it may be actually ice cold to the touch. The gas in the bulb has then reached the required degree of rarefaction.”
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/roentgen-rays
     
So to follow your lead, Cold electricity is...the opposite of induction heating. Heat being a measure of kinetic energy, it would be the restriction or negation of the kinetic energy in the material.

It kind of reminds me of how scientists use lasers to cool things down but I've never looked into that.
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #27 on: 2017-10-15, 22:12:12 »
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I spent some time looking into laser cooling. There are various ways to attain it but most start with "Doppler cooling" to get to a low temperature and then apply the other methods to reduce the temperature even further. As I suggested above it is, essentially, reducing the kinetic energy of the atoms of the material. Obviously, laser cooling uses laser light (photons) to achieve the cooling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_cooling

But if we are dealing with a material and electricity we will also have magnetism. It may be weak or it may be strong but the magnetism will be there. So it would more properly be called Cold Electromagnetism.

And there is a way to perform cooling with magnetism as well.
https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetic+cooling&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_refrigeration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlKKKMTA7XM
http://www.cooltech-applications.com/magnetic-refrigeration-principle.html

One of the interesting aspects of this is that at zero Kelvin particles stop moving - a negative entropy, if you will - ordering as opposed to the disordering of entropy.
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #28 on: 2017-10-15, 22:17:41 »
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I stumbled upon another interesting article that talks about cooling molecules rather than atoms. It uses RF electromagnetism but very specific materials. Interestingly one of the temperatures they mention is 300k which is 27C or 80F which is something that we might expect to encounter in the posts about "cold electricity".
https://phys.org/news/2017-10-cold-molecules-collision.html
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #29 on: 2017-10-19, 18:02:53 »
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Hey guys,
       I'll have more time on another computer in an hour or two.
In the meantime, here's a really good application of what I intend to convey as an idea:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tesla/tesla17_02.gif
(This is a good, working Internet address that will load and run, as of 10/19/17)

       Merely add a HV capacitor to the bottom leg of the output.   The primary coil is already shorted (as a coil with 2 ends/sides), so the output should be, effectively, cold/Zero Point power.   Of course, the power composed of RF signals, because of the spark gap.
       I'm aware of that.
--Lee
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #30 on: 2017-10-19, 18:12:13 »

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Believing in something false doesn't make it true.
I am a little confused.  If you are aware the output is RF then why would you want to call it something else?  I also don't understand what you mean about the primary being shorted.  Where is it shorted?

Respectfully,
Carroll


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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #31 on: 2017-10-19, 22:41:29 »
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Quote from: CITFTA on 2017-10-19, 18:12:13
I am a little confused.  If you are aware the output is RF then why would you want to call it something else?
So, CITFTA...
       Did I?   I implied that a spark gap generates HV RF power in a lot of frequencies.   I know this.   The frequencies, I read awhile ago, could range from 1Hz to, even, 500 billion HZ.   That's greater coverage than about all the broadcast/receive bands in public use, IMO.   And, I've read, powerful local spark gaps can create a headache for production personnel at TV and radio transmitter broadcasting sites.
       If asked, I might see if there's Internet references to prove this.

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I also don't understand what you mean about the primary being shorted.  Where is it shorted?
       Well, I just looked at the drawing I uploaded again.
As you can see, the capacitor is a fixed, polarized electrolytic, and one side---the upper---of the primary coil of the Tesla coil is connected to the capacitor's anode.   The other is connected to the bottom of the spark gap.   That would make both ends shorted by the actual coil, right?
       Wait.   You're looking at the coil backwards compared to the way I'm looking at?   The primary input to the tesla coil is from the transistor/spark gap, and from there is to the Tesla coil, right?   You're thinking the coil doesn't necessarily short circuit the spark gap and capacitor?   See the next paragraph:
       Even if the spark gap is open (that's obvious) the bottom is connected to the primary coil.   And that was my point.
My final point was that the bottom of the spark gap and the bottom of the primary coil could have a capacitor between them and that would make the power 'cold', with two(2) capacitors connected to the primary coil.
       I don't know whether anyone understands the foregoing descriptions or not.   A complete drawing would probably be more instructional, but finding time to take out from other things I work on can be problematic to me, sometimes.
       All that's left that I can think of, is that will a coil affect the output characteristics of the 2 capacitors going to the oscillator?   How about an inductor with an iron core?   I've never known of anyone trying that arrangement.
--Lee
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #32 on: 2017-10-20, 23:53:28 »
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Okay any and all readers,
       Given that I'm determined to express what I'm asserting as a proposal for overunity power generation, below is a almost symmetrical tesla coil diagram which should adequately, IMHO, demonstrate a clear diagram of a cold energy, Zero Point free energy concept:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T61jhva0pPE/Uu95TWGDi5I/AAAAAAAAADE/52rPKr1rkb0/s1600/PvXHE5f.gif

       So now, L2 could have another capacitor wired into the circuit to the right of the spark gap, immediately below C1.   I'm informed by my associate experimentation partner and my part-time job associates that this setup will produce the same or even an improved performance level of operation compared to the original Tesla coil.   The coil, L3, acts as a shorting wire between C1 and the bottom of the spark gap.
       The next thing to do is set several---or even many---such coils nearby, preferably in a circle, next to the central coil and allow the magnetic field of the central coil to positively affect the ones around it, thus generating an AC current in each one that can have a power takeoff lead to a step-down transformer, a HV Capacitor, a properly & polarity-oriented HV diode, and then to a grounded battery bank, that thus should complete the whole circuit.
       I'll try and modify the drawing I have and render it to a .PDF for possible uploading to this Bench, so all can see it.
--Lee
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #33 on: 2017-10-23, 20:08:19 »
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Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2017-10-20, 23:53:28
Okay any and all readers,
       Given that I'm determined to express what I'm asserting as a proposal for overunity power generation, below is a almost symmetrical tesla coil diagram which should adequately, IMHO, demonstrate a clear diagram of a cold energy, Zero Point free energy concept:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T61jhva0pPE/Uu95TWGDi5I/AAAAAAAAADE/52rPKr1rkb0/s1600/PvXHE5f.gif

       So now, L2 could have another capacitor wired into the circuit to the right of the spark gap, immediately below C1.   I'm informed by my associate experimentation partner and my part-time job associates that this setup will produce the same or even an improved performance level of operation compared to the original Tesla coil.   The coil, L3, acts as a shorting wire between C1 and the bottom of the spark gap.
       The next thing to do is set several---or even many---such coils nearby, preferably in a circle, next to the central coil and allow the magnetic field of the central coil to positively affect the ones around it, thus generating an AC current in each one that can have a power takeoff lead to a step-down transformer, a HV Capacitor, a properly & polarity-oriented HV diode, and then to a grounded battery bank, that thus should complete the whole circuit.
       I'll try and modify the drawing I have and render it to a .PDF for possible uploading to this Bench, so all can see it.
--Lee

   I appreciate your sharing these plans with us, Lee.
Questions:

1 - are you taking precautions against RF burns?   even band-aids on the fingertips (or flexible builder's-gloves) can protect the fingers quite well.

2 - is there actually a working prototype? 

3 - are you aware of the solid-state circuits for driving a Tesla coil, from about 1-12 V (DC) - without the need for a spark gap?    (These are what I'm playing with right now...  I have several...)

Thanks again!
Steve
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #34 on: 2017-10-23, 20:20:05 »
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #35 on: 2017-10-24, 00:55:46 »
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Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2017-10-23, 20:08:19
   I appreciate your sharing these plans with us, Lee.
Questions:

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1 - are you taking precautions against RF burns?   even band-aids on the fingertips (or flexible builder's-gloves) can protect the fingers quite well.
   
       I, like my Dad was, am a theorist.   I have a trustworthy associate who has the freedom and the time to experiment on electronics.   This person indicates whether or not whatever I think or will work or not.  She is careful.   Otherwise, she knows what very high voltage can do to her.

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2 - is there actually a working prototype?
       What I'm working on is simple enough to be an a mere extension of what was done before in a lab.   She has the prototypes.   

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3 - are you aware of the solid-state circuits for driving a Tesla coil, from about 1-12 V (DC) - without the need for a spark gap?    (These are what I'm playing with right now...  I have several...)

Thanks again!
       No, I didn't know of these designs.   The input is 1-12VDC?   Where's the ionization?   I was trying to knock electrons off N2 and O2 molecules for greater power generation.
       New development: Tesla pancake coils at the input.   More power at the output, as well as:  More capacitance, as long as resonance is maintained.
Got to go.
       --Lee
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #36 on: 2017-10-24, 15:25:53 »
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Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2017-10-23, 20:08:19
3 - are you aware of the solid-state circuits for driving a Tesla coil, from about 1-12 V (DC) - without the need for a spark gap?    (These are what I'm playing with right now...  I have several...)

The kapanadze style device replication is all about that. See akula's Tesla katcher with interrupter, for example - http://i.imgur.com/QPJ2Zxv.jpg

The whole thread is on http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy


This circuit (and similar) are creating pulse trains which make Tesla coil run completely in different mode...

Cheers!
   
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Re: Sure-fire OU method...? Very High Arc Voltage Discherge...!!! « Reply #37 on: 2017-10-24, 22:57:19 »
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Quote from: T-1000 on 2017-10-24, 15:25:53
The kapanadze style device replication is all about that. See akula's Tesla katcher with interrupter, for example - http://i.imgur.com/QPJ2Zxv.jpg

The whole thread is on http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy

This circuit (and similar) are creating pulse trains which make Tesla coil run completely in different mode...

Cheers!
       Yes T-1000, thank you for the information.
FYI, I went to posted Reply #74 on the thread and downloaded a printoff from this address:

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/60/
(reply # 74 down the page)

       I like it because it's simpler and easier to understand.   
But, referring to your Akyula 0083 (Tesla Kacher circuit + interrupter) drawing( I have a copy in front of me):
       The inverter of this particular circuit is more than just a little creative.
He has an 'ARA' (Automatic Resonance Adjustment) made up of 4 internally integrated circuits that I've never seen before.
       The main compound coil has 9 sub-coils; which don't show the diameters, lengths, wire sizes, or number(s) of coil turns.
(My associate can read all this later, so I'm mentioning this for her benefit.)
NOTE:
       I think Kapanadze originally wanted to patent his design, so that would make sense.)
The text was originally in Russian---(or Georgian(?), from Kapanadze) but the inventor of this circuit is using standard Texas-Instruments-style components

So then, my question is:
       Would "pulse Trains" that be similar to a set of standing waves along the coil(s)' length and depths' of layers, electrically?
There can be one or more internal frequencies at work in the circuit.   But, how they interact tends to make, IMHO, the inventor---or Kapanedze, originally---a genius.
       I believe this type of circuit is easy enough for me to understand:
http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/54180/image//
       AND they both have spark gaps.

Time gets short composing these messages.   Will return later.

--Lee
   
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