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Jeff:
You know the reality is that there is a better technical analysis of the 10-coiler in this thread than anything done on the Energetic Forum thread, or anywhere else for that matter. It's discussed and analyzed in ways that go far beyond what anyone else has ever done. You have read some or all of the thread and you already know this.
Take the example of measuring the real-time power in and power out to the charging batteries. Then relating that back to the transistor switching timing and the tweaking. Nobody has ever done that as far as I am aware. The 10-coiler is screaming for that kind of analysis. You probably don't even know the power input and power output in watts for the 10-coiler. You have just been using it as a "black box" that interfaces with the battery swapper.
I am under the impression that you are a systems guy and you know microcontrollers and can program them. The 10-coiler is just a device that you are interfacing your hardware/software with. I don't think that you really know that much about it. The big clue to that was your treatise about subtracting 1000 volts from the source batteries and it made a difference if the source battery configuration was 12 or 24 volts. That was completely wrong Jeff, in fact quite ridiculous, and I can only assume that you were winging it or you were just repeating what Rick might have told you. The problem is that Rick himself barely understands electronics and he is just following Bedini's lead. So you don't really know your stuff on the 10-coiler hardware level, you made that very clear.
I am willing to engage you on this. You have one at home and you have the time to really check it out if you want to. Again, my impression is that you just took it for granted that the sales pitch for the device that Rick gave you was true, you had no reason to question him. You developed the battery swapper on the good faith that what they told you about the 10-coiler was true. That being that there was always some excess energy available in the charging battery bank that you could draw on and the flip-flopping system could go on essentially indefinitely such that you could have a continuous source of free energy. So if I am right, your whole project with respect to the 10-coiler-based free energy system was developed in good faith by you because you believed somebody in good faith when they told you what the 10-coiler could do.
Now, if you take a big capacitor and have a resistor and a variable bench power supply, you could measure the average power consumption of the 10-coiler with ease. Supposing it measures 27 watts. You could also measure the average power output of the 10-coiler into the charging battery. Supposing it measures 8 watts.
That's going to make you think about the whole pitch that you heard about the 10-coiler, isn't it?
Now that you know the power levels, it's trivial to take a fully-charged primary battery and drain one mega-joule from it. All that you have to do is run the motor for the right amount of time. You know ahead of time that you pumped (8/27)x 1 mega-joule = 296 kilo-joules of energy into the charging battery.
Now let's assume that you have already qualified your charging battery with charge-discharge cycles and you are able to measure the energy you just put into it with a discharge cycle. Assume that you have perfected this process and are adept at doing it.
I am willing to bet you that you would measure between 200 and 240 kilo-joules of energy in the charging battery after charging it with the 10-coiler. However, to make the whole system viable, you would have to measure something like 1.2 or 1.3 mega-joules of energy in the charging battery.
If I am right, then the system is off by a factor of 5.
If I was in your shoes, I would do this type of testing. I wouldn't take Rick or John's word that the 10-coiler does what they say it does. I would make the measurements and run the test as described above, and I would also run the 100-watt incandescent light bulb "reality check" test.
Anyway I made a serious offer to you to discuss this kind of stuff or any other related issues. Unfortunately you have refused. The offer still stands.
I will also ask if you post that you drop the bashing/build-it-yourself line. Stop hiding behind that, it's a dead horse. You should take my advice and talk the technical stuff and start exploring and investigating the 10-coiler to see what it's really all about.
One last little thing came to mind. Have you ever simply switched on all the transistors manually just to see how the source battery bank copes? I bet that you haven't. Don't be surprised if your standard source battery bank voltage starts to seriously croak under that strain within 1/2 second. The whole point to the exercise is to be aware that there is an upper limit to the transistor switch-on time. You go beyond that limit and you are loosing copious amounts of energy in the battery bank itself. Have you or Rick ever discussed this issue or made the test? I seriously doubt it.
MileHigh
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