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aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #375 on: 2010-11-27, 03:04:27 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: MileHigh on 2010-11-27, 02:48:22 Rosemary, The issues were brought up by Aaron in the other 10-coiler thread so I am responding here. Current also produces voltage. They certainly go hand in hand. Sometimes voltage produces current. I make some strong statements and if someone wants to argue the points that's fine. I am not going to get into the whole electron debate like I said. Your stance on that DEMANDS support or say nothing. I don't care. MileHigh Ok. Then here's the counter argument. Aaron et al - believe that there's a level of 'spike' that takes it from conventional understanding to 'new age'. God know why. I see it as voltage - whichever way it's cut - and from however many coils. And that spike - according to them - recharges a battery with that much efficiency - provided that it's repeatedly charged - that it can out perform it's standard watt hour ratings. I have enough respect for Lindemann to know that he does not make idle statements. And he also claims this. Therefore I think that Aaron is simply trying to explain what Lindemann does better. As for the other confusions in the 'free age thinking' - it's no better nor worse than mainstream. Neither are logical and both are barely supported by evidence. The difference is this. Mainstream's handle of measurement is far more capable than Free Age. Which is a pity. I'm of the opinion that with better measurements then Free Age would also be better able to carry their argument. And it's exhausting to keep reading the demand by mainstream for 'self driven' or 'closed systems' to give the proof. That would first have to be the free energy enthusiasts' claim. I think - at this stage - they're simply pointing to a coefficient of performance greater than 1. I only support your argument to the extent that you require better measurements. I absolutely agree with this. But I also understand that it's a tricky one as the measurement of a motor's output is not that easy.

MileHigh	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #376 on: 2010-11-27, 03:14:44 »
Group: Guest	Final comments on Aaron's long posting on the EF 10-coiler thread: Quote John's biggest secret about these SG circuits is that THERE IS NO SECRET. It has been out in the open for years before 99% of most people ever heard of "free energy" including myself. Now there may be some proprietary info on the circuits that belongs to his company and he can't share those because they're company property but what is out in the open gives results as claimed. I agree, there is NO SECRET about a Bedini motor. It is a very simple pulse circuit where an inductor is charged up and then discharged throug a diode into a battery. It is a very basic circuit that would be covered in a first-year electronics course. The main problem that I have with John Bedini is that he does not explain to Bedini enthusiasts how a Bedini motor actually works. He shrouds it all mystery and uses the false term "radiant energy" for a simple discharging inductor. Read this thread if you want to find out how a Bedini motor actually works. Quote In my opinion, what the "thinking man" needs to know first is what the difference is between a man thinking and a thinking man but that's another topic. But distinctions of frames of references, etc... are necessary for people to get around what they already think in terms of the very fundamentals that people use as their premise for observing all of this from, which if based on conventional electron theory models and conventional thermodynamics is completely wrong. This line from Aaron, "based on conventional electron theory models and conventional thermodynamics is completely wrong," is another one of those topsy-turvy moments that you sometimes see on the forums. Aaron is completely and utterly wrong when he makes that statement. A Bedini motor is a very simple, plain, and ordinary pulse circuit that can be explained inside-out and upside-down using "conventional" electron theory and "conventional" thermodynamics. I view that comment as part of a thought conditioning process for people that have no or very limited experience with the sciences in general and electronics in particular. Don't let yourself get fooled and led astray by Aaron's comment because it is not true. This is where you need to do some serious thinking. MileHigh

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #377 on: 2010-11-27, 03:26:51 »
Group: Guest	Well. I HAVE done some serious thinking about this. And I've reached the same conclusions but from a different premise. There's another difference. I keep hoping to find some argument from mainstream that I can buy into. So far I've seen nothing and I've been following these and many other threads for a while now. Any way MH. I keep promising you I won't comment. And I keep breaking that promise. I just wish you or someone could elaborate on mainstream better than Dyson or Zukov. That way I could find that definitive explanation that would let me understand how and what you guys think. Then also I'd be able to climb out of this hell hole. It's no pleasure not belonging to either side. But that would involve the discussion that I think you've rather outlawed. Rosemary

MileHigh	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #378 on: 2010-11-27, 03:34:31 »
Group: Guest	Rosemary: Quote Ok. Then here's the counter argument. Aaron et al - believe that there's a level of 'spike' that takes it from conventional understanding to 'new age'. God know why. I see it as voltage - whichever way it's cut - and from however many coils. And that spike - according to them - recharges a battery with that much efficiency - provided that it's repeatedly charged - that it can out perform it's standard watt hour ratings. I have enough respect for Lindemann to know that he does not make idle statements. And he also claims this. Therefore I think that Aaron is simply trying to explain what Lindemann does better. What you are saying is there is proposition put forward that if you recharge a battery with inductive current pulses that you can increase the energy storing capacity of that battery by a certain percentage. That may be true, I would have to see convincing data on that and I have never seen it. If you increase a battery's energy storing capacity, then you have to put more energy into it to recharge it. So there is no free energy there. With respect to the "spike," that is where you get into some interesting issues that call into question certain people's motivations. The spike never goes "new age," ever. But the fact is that you can get away with telling that to people and calling it "radiant energy" and they will believe you. If enough people believe you then you can achieve "critical mass" and they will start telling others and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. That's why probably about two-thirds of the people that play with a Bedini motor for the first time believe that if they "tune" it right they can produce free energy. What also happens is that two-thirds of the messages sent out to the masses imply that there is something "unconventional" and "special" going on. The other third of the messages are low-key and say that there is nothing special about a Bedini motor and it is not an over unity device. They know that some people hear and listen to what they want to hear. That's why at the Renaissance November workshop convention they were playing a computer-graphic video clip on a big screen that showed a 10-coiler type device that was powering a house, even though there is not a single shred of credible evidence that this is possible. MileHigh

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #379 on: 2010-11-27, 04:01:55 »
Group: Guest	When science is promoted as propaganda - then it's definitely offensive. But consider what those guys have managed. They've got their following and all such are, hopefully, exploring this new science. Do you know just how much they're up against? I do. Unhappily I can tell you exactly how offended and offensive does the average engineer become when his best opinions are refuted or challenged. There's an awful lot of emotion wrapped up in one's thinking. And it's a passion that simply can't even be taken out of the ostensibly 'dry' realm of logic. And if the 'level' that they reach is less critical and more emotional - then at least there is a growing number. MileHigh - the fact is that you're right to challenge any claims. Especially if they're self-serving and obviously so. But I get it that our free energy enthusiasts are actually motivated by something more than their personal enrichment. God knows Bedini and others would make much more money if they simply sided with mainstream and earned conventional livings. It's that huge affront to mainstream that I find delicious. So brave. And it's a picnic to side with mainstream. There one has the unequivocal support of a HUGE majority. Where's the muscle to dare challenge all that authority? And do you know how much nonsense mainstream promote - aside from the miracles of technological achievements that they manage? And its not as if their theories are right. Just that they're upheld by a the majority. So many and it also then denies anyone the right to question them. Science determined by democratic principles. What nonsense. And what an eternal shame if by ignoring the potential benefits in a new found force - also plays into the hands of our energy suppliers. They're certainly not that anxious to change any paradigms. The bigger picture is so much more than all this nit picking. Again, regards Rosemary

Bits-n-Bytes	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #380 on: 2010-11-27, 04:13:51 »
Group: Guest	Nicely put Rosemary. Bit's

Grumpy	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #381 on: 2010-11-27, 04:15:59 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Can you charge a battery with displacement current?

MileHigh	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #382 on: 2010-11-27, 04:22:08 »
Group: Guest	Rosemary: There is an argument that goes like this: You can short-circuit all of the the propositions on both sides of the fence and just ask for results. The results will speak for themselves. That's why it is a central issue. Look at the new "Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor" shown at the conference. What does it do? What results can it deliver? Those questions haven't been answered. Instead there is a growing thread on the EF where people ask Bedini questions and agonize over what he really means and then agonize over trying to make replications, without having had any of the fundamental questions answered. Back into topsy-turvy territory. According to Bedini, depending on which hemisphere of the Earth you are on, you build it differently. There is not a single rational reason for making that statement, and here is were you have to start asking yourself some serious questions about Bedini and the whole deal. MileHigh

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #383 on: 2010-11-27, 04:30:38 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: MileHigh on 2010-11-27, 04:22:08 Rosemary: There is an argument that goes like this: You can short-circuit all of the the propositions on both sides of the fence and just ask for results. MileHigh I agree.

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #384 on: 2010-11-27, 05:02:30 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: MileHigh on 2010-11-27, 04:22:08 According to Bedini, depending on which hemisphere of the Earth you are on, you build it differently. There is not a single rational reason for making that statement, and here is were you have to start asking yourself some serious questions about Bedini and the whole deal. MileHigh I may add - according to mainstream - depending on whether you're a classicist - a string theorist - or a quantum enthusiast - there's either four dimensions or a multiplicity of dimensions where space itself is either expanding or contracting or neither - supported by a universal gravitational field or by a hidden scaffold of stable fixed strings of dark matter - or by fields of photons, electrons, photon neutrinos, electron neutrinos, or either or neither - but actually by gravitons - which have never been found - or by 'darkons' which are also purely speculated. Where energy can never be created or destroyed - except in momentary interactions inside a bubble chamber and unless they're virtual particles - or something else or none of the above. And where hidden force fields comprise invisible particles that can variously be measured or not - that are either existent or not - will be found - will never be found - cannot be found - depending entirely on which school of thinking you subscribe to and whoever pays the most for research. Bedini's proposal that the two hemisphere's of the earth would require different 'builds' is tame compared to conventional theory. Mainstream thinking is postively a Smørrebrød where you can butter it and slice it and add anything you want from baked ham to tachyons or any of the above. Mainstream doesn't have the answer. It has many. And they all differ one from another. If mainstream were consistent there'd be some justification in giving it one's wholehearted support.

MileHigh	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #385 on: 2010-11-27, 05:23:27 »
Group: Guest	Rosemary: I know that these things are issues you follow but please refrain from mentioning them anymore in this thread. This thread is about the 10-coiler and admittedly it got into more generic Bedini themes as a response to Aaron's long posting on the EF 10-coiler thread. The issue of how you build the Ferris Wheel motor depending on which hemisphere you are in ties into the generic Bedini theme. It's shocking to read stuff like that from Bedini, it really is. It's junk science. That's the main point relative to the generic Bedini theme. Anybody that disagrees with me can bring it up on the Ferris Wheel thread. MileHigh

Allcanadian	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #386 on: 2010-11-27, 06:32:50 »
Hero Member Posts: 2735	@Rosemary Quote I may add - according to mainstream - depending on whether you're a classicist - a string theorist - or a quantum enthusiast - there's either four dimensions or a multiplicity of dimensions where space itself is either expanding or contracting or neither - supported by a universal gravitational field or by a hidden scaffold of stable fixed strings of dark matter - or by fields of photons, electrons, photon neutrinos, electron neutrinos, or either or neither - but actually by gravitons - which have never been found - or by 'darkons' which are also purely speculated. Where energy can never be created or destroyed - except in momentary interactions inside a bubble chamber and unless they're virtual particles - or something else or none of the above. And where hidden force fields comprise invisible particles that can variously be measured or not - that are either existent or not - will be found - will never be found - cannot be found - depending entirely on which school of thinking you subscribe to and whoever pays the most for research. Bedini's proposal that the two hemisphere's of the earth would require different 'builds' is tame compared to conventional theory. Mainstream thinking is postively a Smørrebrød where you can butter it and slice it and add anything you want from baked ham to tachyons or any of the above. Mainstream doesn't have the answer. It has many. And they all differ one from another. If mainstream were consistent there'd be some justification in giving it one's wholehearted support. That is a good point, I remember watching a video on Richard Feynman and one simple question came up--- "what is a magnetic field",lol, my god I have never seen a nobel prize winner squirm and back peddle that much in all my life. Now if the nobel prize winning physicists have no solid proven answer for what a magnetic field is fundamentally then where exactly do we stand in regards to a solid foundation to build on? The fact is we have more than a few competing theories on how things work but none of them give us the really important answers like what is a magnetic,electric and gravic field fundamentally? That is my question, how can we say anything is impossible when we have literally no idea "what" the fundamental forces are? and how can anyone be an expert in anything when they do not know "what" it is they are dealing with? Just today I was reading how some scientists had managed to build a nano-material that would bend microwaves around an object to make it essentially disappear in respect to the source. The lead scientst also said there is no reason why this cannot be applied to light waves as well as the quote--- "science is about always trying to do the impossible". Now if some brilliant scientists who are the world leaders in this field of science tell me that there is no reason why a nano-material could not be manufactured in the future to lets say cover my house and make it invisible and they have for the most part proven this fact then exactly what is impossible? This also raises the question in regards to what 99% of the population might say if someone stated they could make a solid object disappear. I think this is yet another example as to why there are no real experts anymore because the science keeps changing and the technology keeps changing on a daily basis. The exponential growth of knowledge ensures that myself and everyone here is little more than an antiquated dinosaur in respects to what our children will know and see, that is the way it is and the way it has always been throughout history. Our children will look back and call us delusional old farts who really didn't have a clue about much of anything and almost brought this world to the brink of destruction through our ignorance. Personally I have serious reservations about Bedini's claims and his understanding of what it is that may be happening in his devices but if there is something happening it is only a matter of time before someone figures it out, they always do. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Grumpy	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #387 on: 2010-11-27, 11:08:40 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Can you charge a battery with displacement current?

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #388 on: 2010-11-27, 13:41:51 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Grumpy on 2010-11-27, 11:08:40 Can you charge a battery with displacement current? There is no standard definition of displacement current. If you mean can we charge a battery from a capacitor - the answer is yes. Can we charge a battery from a some charge storage device without a direct link with the circuit wires - the answer is possibly. We know that a battery can discharge through space. Presumably therefore it could recharge through space. But it would be unlikely - given that charge moves to a neutral rather than a charged condition given any options to move at all. If you're suggesting that the recharge requires the 'input' of electrons - then the answer is no. If you added electrons then the electrolyte in the battery would have nowhere to put them. And I'm not allowed to talk theory. So that's the best I, personally, can offer. Rosemary

MileHigh	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #389 on: 2010-11-28, 03:17:56 »
Group: Guest	Here is that clip that I made reference to a day ago: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_aYXhNEDXE[/youtube] Just note that there is nothing like this in existence. This clip is a fantasy, nothing more than that. The laws of thermodynamics state that what you see in this clip is impossible. Batteries can't drive a load and keep recharging each other, it doesn't make any sense. Even if you use a pulsing inductor to charge the batteries (a.k.a. "Bedini technology"). No data has ever been presented by the Bedini camp or by an independent third party tester that this is possible. Note that recently Jeff (Bit's-and-Bytes) was asked to show convincing data that his 10-coiler configuration with the battery swapper and cap pulser and grid tie inverter could produce continuous power and he refused. MileHigh

Grumpy	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #390 on: 2010-11-28, 04:11:35 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Grumpy on 2010-11-27, 11:08:40 Can you charge a battery with displacement current? The responses to this question pretty much sums up this thread.

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #391 on: 2010-11-28, 04:32:05 »
Group: Guest	What responses? There's been one response and that was from me and I believe it endorsed your point. And I think what was asked for by all of us is that we get the data to support the claim. Exactly WHAT is your point?

MileHigh	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #392 on: 2010-11-28, 04:57:50 »
Group: Guest	Grumpy: Please explain the thoughts behind your question. Before you do that, is it appropriate for this thread? If not, why not start a thread about your issue and see what happens? MileHigh

Grumpy	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #393 on: 2010-11-28, 16:53:54 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: MileHigh on 2010-11-28, 04:57:50 Grumpy: Please explain the thoughts behind your question. Before you do that, is it appropriate for this thread? If not, why not start a thread about your issue and see what happens? MileHigh Bedini is pulsing coils and pulsing batteries. I see all sorts of talk about the energy in and out and how theory and experiment supports what you say, but I don't see you mention that displacement current that accompanies these pulses. With a very fast rate of change and high voltage, the displacement current could be quite high. This will not measure on your standard meter, as it is outside the conductor. You can find measurement techniques online. Just an observation, but the fact that I didn't get an answer of "yes" or "no" leaves me wondering... « Last Edit: 2010-11-28, 16:59:07 by poynt99 »

poynt99	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #394 on: 2010-11-28, 17:00:07 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	Quote from: Grumpy on 2010-11-28, 16:53:54 Bedini is pulsing coils and pulsing batteries. I see all sorts of talk about the energy in and out and how theory and experiment supports what you say, but I don't see you mention that displacement current that accompanies these pulses. With a very fast rate of change and high voltage, the displacement current could be quite high. This will not measure on your standard meter, as it is outside the conductor. You can find measurement techniques online. Just an observation, but the fact that I didn't get an answer of "yes" or "no" leaves me wondering... Grumpy, There's the "chicken or egg" question to consider here. The battery effectively quashes the HV spike, so if there is no HV spike, can there be any significant displacement current via the conductors? .99 PS. Sorry grumps. I accidentally used modify instead of quote, but I did not edit anything in your post. --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #395 on: 2010-11-28, 17:20:00 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Grumpy on 2010-11-28, 16:53:54 Bedini is pulsing coils and pulsing batteries. I see all sorts of talk about the energy in and out and how theory and experiment supports what you say, but I don't see you mention that displacement current that accompanies these pulses. With a very fast rate of change and high voltage, the displacement current could be quite high. This will not measure on your standard meter, as it is outside the conductor. You can find measurement techniques online. Just an observation, but the fact that I didn't get an answer of "yes" or "no" leaves me wondering... Still don't get it. If the displacement current is responsible for recharging those batteries - then that would be a miracle and well worth advancing as a study. Irrespective of what can be measured or not - the fact is that it would be very unusual for charge to move towards anything other than a neutral condition if it were moving through the air. Which means that wherever else it went it would not feed into the batteries unless there was closed circuit wiring to enable it. If it is simply moving through the air - and then recharging those batteries then we have something that needs to be bottled. It would be amazing. What exactly do you mean by displacement current? The concept - as I understood it - was advanced by Maxwell to explain how 'charge' could move through empty space. He superimposed the concept of charge moving through some interaction with molecular and atomic structures in that 'space' in order to allow it. This, I think, was the early concept. The general studies since then replaced the concept of empty space and simply did away with it as not being required - mathematically. Not sure who did this but it was probably one of the mathematicians who advanced electromagnetic equations. Then. In the sense that it's currently used it's associated with dielectrics and that's not part of the set up with Bedini's coils - as I understand it. But I may be wrong. A displacement current - in the context that you're using it - I presume applies as Maxwell used it. Which means that it must move from one place to another through some kind of atomic - molecular - or atmospheric medium. If that's right - then I personally question that a battery would be recharged. Because the atomosphere is diverse and would allow for the displacement of charge to neutralise it. If it moved to the battery to recharge it then it would be moving to a state of imbalance. And charge always moved to find a state of equilibrium. Else it does not move at all. So. If that is part of the general claim of the Bedini 10 coiler - then it's certainly well worth looking into. All I keep saying is that we need some actual numbers. Otherwise I have no idea what the claim is. None of us could have. It's very confusing.

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #396 on: 2010-11-28, 17:30:16 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: poynt99 on 2010-11-28, 17:00:07 Grumpy, There's the "chicken or egg" question to consider here. The battery effectively quashes the HV spike, so if there is no HV spike, can there be any significant displacement current via the conductors? .99 PS. Sorry grumps. I accidentally used modify instead of quote, but I did not edit anything in your post. Poynty? When does the battery 'squash' or 'quash' the spike? The battery has no objection to high voltage spikes and offers very little resistance to change it or reduce it. In fact it's my experience that it prefers those high spikes and certainly enables them. It's reduction - if anything - is from other components and resistors in the path of that spike. My point - for what it's worth - is that displacement current would not move to recharge the battery - unless it was forced there through some kind of wire or such like medium - in which case it would not be displacement current. ADDED

poynt99	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #397 on: 2010-11-28, 17:46:49 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	Quote from: aetherevarising on 2010-11-28, 17:30:16 Poynty? When does the battery 'squash' or 'quash' the spike? The battery has no objection to high voltage spikes and offers very little resistance to change it or reduce it. In fact it's my experience that it prefers those high spikes and certainly enables them. It's reduction - if anything - is from other components and resistors in the path of that spike. My point - for what it's worth - is that displacement current would not move to recharge the battery - unless it was forced there through some kind of wire or such like medium - in which case it would not be displacement current. ADDED The battery, as seen by the inductor in its flyback phase, is a substantially low impedance, therefore the high voltage spike is squashed down to a few volts above the battery terminal voltage. This occurs every cycle. .99 --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

aetherevarising	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #398 on: 2010-11-28, 17:58:39 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: poynt99 on 2010-11-28, 17:46:49 The battery, as seen by the inductor in its flyback phase, is a substantially low impedance, therefore the high voltage spike is squashed down to a few volts above the battery terminal voltage. This occurs every cycle. .99 I assure you that the voltage measured in Counter EMF from collapsing fields on an inductor moves through the battery - unhindered - as can be measured across shunt resistors on either side or both - of the battery terminals. Are you saying that the voltage from the CEMF is actually reduced somehow - in which case I can't agree? Or are you saying that very high voltage spikes that we can't measure are not able to go through the battery. If so you may be right. But if we can't even measure them - then I'm not sure that it's relevant. And is this what Grumpy is pointing to as the source of displacement current? My take is that the only energy that can be induced to return to the battery is sourced and then returns to the inductor via the battery provided there's some path to allow it. If there's no path then any stray high voltages that we can't measure - may be RF or somesuch. And I can't believe it would recharge the battery. But it would be nice if it could and I've love to be proved wrong.

MileHigh	Re: Bedini 10-Coil Alternative Discussion « Reply #399 on: 2010-11-28, 18:27:29 »
Group: Guest	Rosemary: The voltage you get from a discharging inductor is proportional to the impedance of the load it discharges into. If the impedance is low, the voltage is low, if the impedance is high, the voltage is high. This is what I discussed in my long rebut to what Aaron posted and this is what I have repeatedly stated is a very difficult concept for experimenters to understand. In a Bedini motor there is a one-way path between the discharging inductor and the battery that flows through a diode. For every discharge pulse the inductor discharges it's energy once and that's it. Grumpy: All of the currents in a Bedini motor setup are accounted for. You know my take on displacement current. You can speculate all you want but it's the real current that flows through the battery that counts. That current comes from the discharging inductor in a simple current loop. You have a coil, a diode, and a battery in the current loop and that's the entire circuit during the coil discharge phase. There is no displacement current associated with that current loop. It's very basic and simple and can easily be verified on a bench. MileHigh

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