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I'm putting a little package together for William [IST]

You posted some very impressive discharge info on batteries a while back,I can't find it?[pretty sure it was you]

Could you please share it again?
Also LED's
they seem like a bad choice for OU research ?

Thanks
Chet
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Come to think of it MH the package is mostly things you have shared here,could you make me a little package I can share at Williams thread?
Please

Just a tiny little package!
   
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I'm putting a little package together for William [IST]

You posted some very impressive discharge info on batteries a while back,I can't find it?[pretty sure it was you]

Could you please share it again?
Also LED's
they seem like a bad choice for OU research ?

Thanks
Chet
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Come to think of it MH the package is mostly things you have shared here,could you make me a little package I can share at Williams thread?
Please

Just a tiny little package!

Hi Chet,

Unfortunately I never put my thoughts on batteries in a single comprehensive post.  They are somewhere in the Bedini threads.  I discussed the problems measuring power through LEDs in the new 3-coiler thread.  That's a small thread and it should be easy to find.  If you really want to find the battery stuff just do a string search on "discharge" or something like that and search on the two main Bedini threads page by page.

William/IST is a lost cause.  In his clips he sounds sane when he speaks but in his postings he sounds like an insane mad scientist.  I watched a few of his clips closely about a year ago and I can tell you that he has no clue whatsoever when it comes to electronics.  You can point him to some of the Bedini threads on this site if you want or copy/paste my stuff, it's up to you.  I seriously doubt that he will understand much of it through.  William is just a "performance artist" playing out a fake character called "IST" or now the character is called "Osiris."  If you are trying to give him some pointers to educate him I think that you are wasting your time.

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Thanks MH,
Actually the battery info was very impressive and surprizing
I thought it was you that posted it ?

How many hours different ampere bats would run certain loads without recharge.[amazingly long times]
I'll look when I have more time.

Thanks for all you do here MH !
A very happy holiday to you and yours.

Chet

   
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A question about the 10-coiler popped up:

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An Open Question -

I spent most of last night reading and studying the 14-ft Bedini Wheel Thread. First, BIG Congrats to John Koorn for his successful build and Kudos to all the great posts there.

Here's the issue that comes to mind ref the 10-coiler build: Great attention was paid on the 'Big Wheel' Center Coil Core length and position - that is, in the Northern Hemisphere the coil core was extended below the bottom edge of the coil carrier/bobbin about an inch or so, maybe 2 inches. In the Southern Hemisphere, like in John Koorn's build done in Australia, the coil core was extended UPWARDS towards the wheel (and magnets) by a similar distance. This has to do with the magnetic current(s) streaming and shape and the associated timing, if I understand correctly, as such is affected on the 'Big Wheel' by one's location by hemisphere.

What prompts my question is that the 10-coiler kits have the coil cores extended outwards, away from the wheel, and that the extended core surface serves as a clamping site for helping hold the coil bobbin in the carrier. That is all well and good if one lives in the Northern Hemisphere. However, does this outward extension of the coil cores on the 10-coiler have any affects that must be otherwise compensated for if the kit builder happens to live in the Southern Hemisphere?

Of course, there are major differences between the 2 machines. However, magnetics are involved in both machines - so, is there a latent (hidden) Hemispherical issue with the 10-coiler that could affect its tuning and/or performance?

Just curious

Plazma

The notion that the Bedini Ferris Wheel motor has to be configured differently depending on whether it is being built in the Northern Hemisphere or the Southern Hemisphere strikes me as being completely and utterly ridiculous.  I don't know if anybody ever questioned or challenged Bedini about this point but they should have.

There is no "Hemispherical issue," hidden or otherwise, with the 10-coiler.

If anybody seriously believes that the Bedini Ferris Wheel motor has to be configured differently depending on which hemisphere it is being run in you are welcome to comment here or on the Ferris Wheel thread.  It would also be nice to know what the Ferris Wheel motor actually does.

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It would also be nice to know what the Ferris Wheel motor actually does.
MileHigh

I think we covered this before. The Ferris Wheel motor is a sideshow attraction in a carnival much like the mustache lady or the hermaphrodite. It can generate revenue at the gate. Is that not a form of free energy?


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Yes, its clearly eye candy to promote sales. JB invariably clouds forum discussions by bringing in a bit of mysticism like the power of crystals and how they can help to produce free energy, or how he dopes semiconductors to give them spacial properties. This tactic helps to divert the discussion away from purely technical matters which he has always tried to avoid, for fear of being strongly challenged by EE's. The extension of the ferris wheel coil core rods either out the back or front of the coil and the angled lump of metal under the coil are IMO classic Bedini diversions which give him plenty of scope to say - well it don't work properly because you've failed to follow construction details correctly. By the time punters have got completely disillusioned and lost interest in a project, enough time has elapsed to develop and market the project in kit form.

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Hi folks!

Some of you might remember me from a few years back on OU before "Ashtwit" and Stefan banned me for holding Ashtweth’s feet to the fire regarding energy i/o tests on the infamous Charles Campbell devices and the "Neon Extraction Circuit" that was purported to make Ashtweth's famous "RV" into a "self-runner".  I then went to Energetic Ministries and lasted all of 4 hours before being banned for questioning some of Lindeman’s statements.  

Those folks, (Panacea and Energetic Ministries and Lindemann/Bedini/Bearden) I’m afraid, are the most insidious scammers in the arena.  To this day, the Panacea University still has claims published openly regarding the RV and Chas Campbell being legit OU devices!  This despite their being thoroughly debunked and virtually forgotten years ago.

I'm an EE with 40+ years designing high power switching power supplies, analog circuitry and industrial controls/power conversion circuitry for audio through 100MHz 5000W RF plasma generators used in huge lasers.  I have a couple of granted patents and a goodly number of designs that are still being produced exactly as designed as many as 20 years later.  My patents were sponsored by DARPA research grants and DOD projects involving electro-optics and guidance/intelligence-gathering systems.

Interestingly, I dropped out of school in tenth grade and have never been back, so I cannot really be accused of being any kind of "ivory tower expert" or "dupe of the established academic regime".  Everything I have learned has come from hands on "design and build" experience and from working with some quite famous entrepreneurs and around some rather brilliant researchers in US government-sponsored labs.  Nope...I'm not a big fan of the military-indutrial complex or the MIB crowd, either, at this point.

I suppose I could be called an "App Note Engineer", having gained much of my understanding of electronic circuits as a result of applying devices based on data sheets and application notes and hints and tips from more experienced experts in various fields of applied physics and real-world product design..

My interest in the “free energy culture” is, by my own open admission, purely a curiosity and I have almost no “hope” or “faith” or “belief” that any sort of useful “free energy producing” machine will evolve from the online FE culture or these forums.  I am being honest here.

Truly, I became involved as a “poster” on the forums strictly as a debunker.  I have no intention of building anything that I’m convinced cannot possibly “work”.  Like MileHigh, I am able to evaluate most circuitry and mechanisms "by inspection" or by appropriate modelling to determine their modes of operation and efficacy.  Had I "built" every idea or approach I have ever thought of or pondered to see if it worked, I'd have never produced much at all.  

The ability to evaluate and reject weak ideas quickly is a huge part of science and engineering.  But the very concept is the worst taboo in the field of internet forum OU research.  That's why even the simplest most obviously flawed concepts always take years and endless failed replications and thousands of hours of argument and discussion before slipping into oblivion.

I simply could not stay as “a lurker” in the face of the vast and unending fallacies and insane claims and ridiculous measurement techniques (or lack thereof) that are rampant among the culture.  So far, this forum is the only one I’ve encountered that has any basis in reasonable scientific analysis, thanks to members like Poynt and Milehigh and a few others.

After reading just about every “high-participation” topic on the forum, I have decided that I should probably not do a lot of posting here, however.  That’s because Poynt and Milehigh have pretty much got it covered in terms of keeping things on task and quashing, correcting or at least pointing out misinformation and outright fraud here.  

I can absolutely identify with MileHigh’s sense of urgency and frustration as the Bedini/Lindemann/Arron crowd appear to be moving from selling books and CD’s and tickets to their shows (bad enough) into that far worse realm of actually selling non-functional hardware to unsuspecting rubes.  They seem rather organized in their efforts to foist this crap off for personal gain while avoiding outright clear claims of any specific performance, yet using unwitting brainwashed and highly-invested shills like poor Jeff to front the claims of OU and “self-running”. machines that are heavily implied to address real-world energy needs.  It is no less than full-out organized crime, in my opinion.

In my work, as in all true engineering work, the goal is always to provide a given function using the simplest and least expensive yet robust and reliable combination of elements.  The obvious objective of most “free energy” claimants appears to be the exact opposite:  To employ maximally “Rube Goldberg” designs in a clear attempt to obscure and delay the discovery of the fact that their machines don’t actually work.  For instance, here is a quote from MileHigh in a recent post in this thread:
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“Jeff and his associates have two possible arguments on which to base their proposition on, 1) the current spike from the coil is "magic" and contains excess energy, 2) the battery is "magic" and ends up with excess energy after you charge it with current spikes.”  This statement beautifully cuts to the chase.

The use of huge batteries (way larger in energy storage than the expected “free energy” output power) is a typical and ubiquitous method of obfuscation and delay.  It allows them to “demonstrate to” and delude themselves and the public regarding how their machines produce seemingly excess output power, but always only for finite-time demonstrations, of course.  

Reduced to a ridiculous simplicity to make the obvious point, this is like charging a capacitor very slowly using a mere trickle of measured power and then suddenly putting a screwdriver across the terminals to exhibit a huge “bang/flash” of enormous sudden output energy.  Makes a great show.  They always ignore the time-factor in the energy equation for as long as they are allowed to.

If there was any substance to the claims that pulse-charging a battery with “radiant energy” produced by sudden discharges produced more energy in the battery than was required to generate the pulses then why, oh why, do they need all the contraptions, ferris wheels, battery swappers, complex multiple coils and control electronics?

Why not a simple black box with two leads coming out that you just attach to any partally-charged battery and it takes in some energy and then returns it to the same battery in a pulsed fashion?  If the theory they espouse actually worked, there is no obstacle to building battery chargers that were powered by the very battery they were charging!  Take the root theory at the simplest form and directly implement it.  No Rube Goldberg stuff. 

But you can bet they would come up with a million magic reasons why this straightforward approach just wouldn't work.  Because the basis theory and concept is just no good, they must shroud and bury it amongst a million bells and whistles that they claim require endless finicky tuning and a myriad of complex custom-made extraneous "stuff" that obviously contributes nothing but obfuscation.  Expensive stuff that only they supply.

These people are dangerous and must be held accountable not only for the money they are taking on false pretexts but for the time they waste of innocent experimenters who follow their BS as if it were a religion.

It is my opinion that the whole “free energy” movement is a frustrated manifestation of the same excellent and honorable and useful desire to learn by doing that I and many of my peers (I’m now 60) used to be involved back in “the day” when we eagerly awaited the next issue of Popular Electronics so we could build and tinker with some circuitry.  These days, there is almost none of that going on where the project is described clearly, the end-function is given, the parts are listed, etc.  

As the parts have gotten smaller and more sophisticated and the prices of end-products in the market have diminished so far, the home-brewed building of practical functional electronic things has gone the way of TV repair.  It just isn’t practical anymore.  Are you going to build a laptop computer or a cell-phone or a DVD player from a PC board and a bag of parts?  Are you going to spend time trying to repair or modify your 15” LCD monitor or TV?  Hell no!  Not when you can buy a fully assembled and tested new item for 5% of the cost and zero work.  This basically leaves only power audio and speakers as a practical area for home experimenters…oh, and one other:  FREE ENERGY MACHINES!

Trouble is, there are never clear objectives, straightforward plans, well-defined test procedures, etc.  Never, I mean, when it comes to any kind of project intended or claimed to produce useful amounts of “free energy”  that might actually be useful in powering our appliances, homes and vehicles much less a single 100W light bulb.

So, my involvement here, sad to say, will be limited to helping keep people from being misled or spending large sums of money based on purposely-constructed (by outright fraud artists) false hopes.  Since that is generally not considered to be enough of a “contributory” or “positive” motivation, I probably will not be heard from very much.  Poynt99 and  MileHigh are doing a pretty good job on this forum in that regard, while still retaining an optimistic outlook for the possibility of someday helping to evolve an actual OU or free energy device.   I can’t honestly say I share that optimism.
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Welcome to the forum and AMEN to your above post.


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Humbugger:

I second Ion's sentiments, welcome aboard!  Thank you for your compliments also.

We are getting close to the first anniversary of the official release of the 10-coiler kit and it looks like there is not much going on.  There are some people on the Energetic Forum that are finishing off the building of their 10-coiler kits.  Will they actually make any serious attempts to do something tangible with their devices is the big question.

Our friend Jeff, a.k.a. 'Bit's-n-Bytes,' has been very quiet since the November workshop.  He knows there are a few 'big questions' that I have asked him about his 10-coiler and battery swapper system that have never been answered.  In fact he never even really acknowledged them.

Welcome to the cutting edge!  :)

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Welcome Humbugger.

I believe you'd be able to contribute in many areas of discussion here. I hope you are interested in doing so. ;)

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Humbugger: Welcome to the OUR "Debate Club"

I second Ion's sentiments, welcome aboard!  Thank you for your compliments also.

We are getting close to the first anniversary of the official release of the 10-coiler kit and it looks like there is not much going on.  There are some people on the Energetic Forum that are finishing off the building of their 10-coiler kits.  Will they actually make any serious attempts to do something tangible with their devices is the big question.

Our friend Jeff, a.k.a. 'Bit's-n-Bytes,' has been very quiet since the November workshop Unlike the rest of you folks, I have been pretty tied up in getting the batt swapper into production since the conference. I have also redesigned a charger along with the programing of it. I am also designing a device for the next conference. Of course I do all of this stuff so you guy's here can have something to debate about. I also have a full time day job. You folks may gain some credability if you could get out of your arm chairs and build something. Humbugger, you don't even know me, but you want to climb on Milehigh's armchair and bash, on your first post no doubt.  He knows there are a few 'big questions' that I have asked him about his 10-coiler and battery swapper system that have never been answered.  In fact he never even really acknowledged them Yep Milehigh, you still haven't built one I see, so until you do you'll have no credability to comment. All of you followers of Milehigh, don't you think he should practice what he preaches or are you just going to follow the spew and call it reality?.

Welcome to the cutting edge!  :)

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Dear Jeff,

You claimed to have a working OU device months ago, but are unwilling to even give out the details of how you came to the conclusion that your device is OU.
You bash anybody here and on Energeticforum who asks you how you tested your device and what the results were.
You are either an idiot, or a scammer. As the world falls apart around you, what are you doing to help? Scamming people out of money and sending researchers on a wild goose chase.
You should be ashamed! Post your test results or be prepared to be called a FAKE!

Ozy

Why don't we have a OU device on the market now? PEOPLE LIKE YOU!
   

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Everyone should have ran far and fast when Bedini said the discharge of a cap charged with his version of RE was "better" than the same discharge from conventional methods.
   
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Jeff:

You are repeating the same themes.  You are saying, "Build something to 'earn' the right to discuss this 'technology'"

Why should I or anybody have to do this to discuss Bedini stuff?  It simply doesn't make any sense.  All that you have to do is read my thread and it will be abundantly clear that I know what I am talking about.  I am pretty sure that you have read most or all of the thread.  Therefore it's pure cognitive dissonance on your part.  If you choose to cling to that point it doesn't matter, I will still post about Bedini stuff whenever I want to.

You also talk about gaining credibility.  You are the one that needs to gain credibility.  You have been asked to produce data that backs up the claim that the 10-coiler with the battery swapper and grid tie inverter can produce a continuous source of free energy.  The question has been posed to you many times with several different suggested ways of doing the testing and generating the data.  To the best of my recollection you have never acknowledged the requests and you have not produced a single shred of data to back up your claims.

Why should anybody spend a small fortune on one of these systems with no performance data?  I recall that Aaron chimed in and said that these systems are "experimental" and so there are no performance guarantees.  That's laughable.

You also make a reference to "reality."  Jeff, the reality is that every single thing demonstrated at the November workshop was an under unity device.  Rick rode into the conference center on a battery-powered converted lawn mower.  People clapped and cheered!  Even with the recapturing of the "radiant spike" the total energy in his two sets of batteries goes DOWN as he rides the lawn mower.  It's as simple as that.

I don't think that you will be selling that many $1200 battery swappers.  Of course you are free to charge whatever you want for them, but the price vs. quantity curve might suggest that selling more at at a lower price will generate higher gross profits.

Still waiting for some performance data from you Jeff.  And the real problem is that if you ever actually try to make some measurements as previously discussed, you are going to find that the 10-coiler with the battery swapper and grid tie inverter is an under unity device.

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Jeff:

You are repeating the same themes.  You are saying, "Build something to 'earn' the right to discuss this 'technology'"

Why should I or anybody have to do this to discuss Bedini stuff?  It simply doesn't make any sense.  All that you have to do is read my thread and it will be abundantly clear that I know what I am talking about.  I am pretty sure that you have read most or all of the thread.  Therefore it's pure cognitive dissonance on your part.  If you choose to cling to that point it doesn't matter, I will still post about Bedini stuff whenever I want to.

You also talk about gaining credibility.  You are the one that needs to gain credibility.  You have been asked to produce data that backs up the claim that the 10-coiler with the battery swapper and grid tie inverter can produce a continuous source of free energy.  The question has been posed to you many times with several different suggested ways of doing the testing and generating the data.  To the best of my recollection you have never acknowledged the requests and you have not produced a single shred of data to back up your claims.

Why should anybody spend a small fortune on one of these systems with no performance data?  I recall that Aaron chimed in and said that these systems are "experimental" and so there are no performance guarantees.  That's laughable.

You also make a reference to "reality."  Jeff, the reality is that every single thing demonstrated at the November workshop was an under unity device.  Rick rode into the conference center on a battery-powered converted lawn mower.  People clapped and cheered!  Even with the recapturing of the "radiant spike" the total energy in his two sets of batteries goes DOWN as he rides the lawn mower.  It's as simple as that.

I don't think that you will be selling that many $1200 battery swappers.  Of course you are free to charge whatever you want for them, but the price vs. quantity curve might suggest that selling more at at a lower price will generate higher gross profits.

Still waiting for some performance data from you Jeff.  And the real problem is that if you ever actually try to make some measurements as previously discussed, you are going to find that the 10-coiler with the battery swapper and grid tie inverter is an under unity device.

MileHigh

Well here is the credibility Milehigh, I have a lot of devices that I have created. I have even demonstrated a very useful device callled the battery swapper. This is a very useful device in that it can be retrofitted to many different devices and still drive a load. I owe you nothing Milehigh. I have designed this, built it and proved that it does the function for what I invented it for. Now let's get down to the real heart of the matter, How many devices have you built, designed, or even demonstrated...NONE, zero, NOTHING. This leaves me to believe that you can only speak about Nothing. Ozy, the same!! Build it guy's, anything, prove your worth. Stop BS'ing the rest of the folks.
   
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Well here is the credibility Milehigh, I have a lot of devices that I have created. I have even demonstrated a very useful device callled the battery swapper. This is a very useful device in that it can be retrofitted to many different devices and still drive a load. I owe you nothing Milehigh. I have designed this, built it and proved that it does the function for what I invented it for. Now let's get down to the real heart of the matter, How many devices have you built, designed, or even demonstrated...NONE, zero, NOTHING. This leaves me to believe that you can only speak about Nothing. Ozy, the same!! Build it guy's, anything, prove your worth. Stop BS'ing the rest of the folks.

Jeff:

Let's get real for a second here.  Your battery swapper is a microcontroller with some sort of analog input mux that polls the battery voltages and some digital I/O that controls some relays to switch in and switch out the batteries.  You wrote some software that polls the analog inputs and makes some basic decisions for the battery swapping.  There are some optional user-defined registers that can control the swapping interval and stuff like that.

The whole world runs on microcontrollers and your application is one of millions of microcontroller applications out there.  I could do your project myself along with another few million other engineers out there in the workplace.

In my day I designed graphics controllers for the VMEbus and the PC bus.  Some of them are probably still working today in nuclear power plants.  Big deal!

The real issue is your battery swapper system with the 10-coiler and all the other hardware.  Is it an over unity device like you claim it is?  If you claim it is then where is your data?

Your battery swapper is incidental, you don't even need it.  You could do the proof of concept and generate the data by having a human being act as your battery swapper and running the algorithm in his or her head.  We don't really care about your battery swapper, the claim you are making is the real issue.

You are the one that is BS'ing.  Can you show some data to back up your claim?  That's the real central issue.

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Jeff,

I have built many devices, the difference been I haven't claimed any of them are OU.
If you wished to purchase one of my devices, I would be happy to give you a spec sheet and performance data.
Once you were sure the device meets your criteria, then I would sell it to you.
THIS IS WHAT NORMAL PEOPLE DO!

You claimed to have an OU device, therefore, it is YOU who needs to back up your claims.
You have spent hours on these forums, spewing BS, when you could of spent that time doing a simple test and posting results.
YOU ARE A FOOL! and in my opinion a fraud. Anyone who actually had built an OU device, this is the first thing they would do.
Get your head out of Bedini/Rick's arses and go get a second opinion - you might find you are wrong - if so ADMIT IT!

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Jeff:

Let's get real for a second here.  Your battery swapper is a microcontroller with some sort of analog input mux that polls the battery voltages and some digital I/O that controls some relays to switch in and switch out the batteries.  You wrote some software that polls the analog inputs and makes some basic decisions for the battery swapping.  There are some optional user-defined registers that can control the swapping interval and stuff like that.

The whole world runs on microcontrollers and your application is one of millions of microcontroller applications out there.  I could do your project myself along with another few million other engineers out there in the workplace.

In my day I designed graphics controllers for the VMEbus and the PC bus.  Some of them are probably still working today in nuclear power plants.  Big deal!

The real issue is your battery swapper system with the 10-coiler and all the other hardware.  Is it an over unity device like you claim it is?  If you claim it is then where is your data?

Your battery swapper is incidental, you don't even need it.  You could do the proof of concept and generate the data by having a human being act as your battery swapper and running the algorithm in his or her head.  We don't really care about your battery swapper, the claim you are making is the real issue.

You are the one that is BS'ing.  Can you show some data to back up your claim?  That's the real central issue.

MileHigh

Would you be so kind and show me where I claimed the "Battery Swapper" was a OU device?
   
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Would you be so kind and show me where I claimed the "Battery Swapper" was a OU device?

Jeff:

You claimed the battery swapper and 10-coiler with the cap pulser and grid tie inverter system was an over unity device.  There are quotes from you at the November convention stating this.  Going back probably six months I asked you to verify your claim.

Are you doing a bait and switch here?

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This is not a quote, but I got it from the Sterling Allen report on the conference:

http://pesn.com/2010/11/23/9501730_Bedini_Renaissance_Conference_a_turning_point/

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The conference-long demonstration by Jeff Wilson ('Bits') of the MachineOfTime1  prototype was apparently convincing. It is a Bedini 10 coiler running in a self-sustaining mode with additional power running two bulbs. It's the first 10-coil self-runner built by Friedrich.  The small size and capacity of batteries he had on the system, and the brightness of the bulbs being illuminated (around 60 Watt equivalent), with no diminishing during the entire two days of continuous running, indicated that he was indeed harnessing free energy from the environment via the Tesla switch. Run normally, those batteries might have lasted six to eight hours.

Sterling Allen, for all of his limitations, is actually very good at faithfully reporting what he is told when he is doing reporting.

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Jeff:

You claimed the battery swapper and 10-coiler with the cap pulser and grid tie inverter system was an over unity device.  There are quotes from you at the November convention stating this.  Going back probably six months I asked you to verify your claim.

Are you doing a bait and switch here?

MileHigh

Bait and switch my ass. I ask you a simple question, where did I claim the "Battery Swapper" was an OU device? You are trying to stretch this into something it is not. But that's what you do best--- "Bait and Switch Debate with no build". You have no intentions on doing anything with this technology. You are not going to build it, use it, But you damn sure are going to DEBATE it, so Milehigh, have fun. Show me the Quotes!
BTW, I was never interviewed by Sterling., ask him.
   
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Here you go Jeff:

http://r-charge.com/Nov2010.html

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Jeff:

This one is much better, it's from your own posting quoting Rick Friedrich:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6516-renaissance-november-workshop-convention-7.html#post116701

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Next sensation was Jeff Wilson's presentation of my 10 coiler running in a
self-sustaining mode with additional power running two bulbs
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later. I announced today that we will begin selling the battery swapper as a new
Renaissance product in two months. I'll put this up as preorder on the site
tomorrow for $1200. Jeff said he was almost beat up over all the interest in
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Finally, I found the 'smoking gun' Jeff:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6516-renaissance-november-workshop-convention-12.html#post117738

This is a direct quote from you:

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Absoulty this is big! I think folks are starting to get it, albeit slowly. Redrechie, thank you. Now for my viewpoint, we have for many years tried to illustrate there are better methods to produce energy and clean up our environment. Some of these methods still go not being noticed because they are not "Packaged" for the normal consumer. I was asked by some attendee's at the conference the very question of, "When can I buy and distribute this to the world". I had to answer with "This conference is to Teach this technology and if we give in to the status quo, then we are just repeating the very mess that we are in today". Let me explain, if we allow 1 or 2 corporations to secure the right s to these inventions and technology's, then we have just allowed ourselves to be held hostage AGAIN. But, if we teach the world to be able to create and use the free energy, at will and adapted for our own use, we finally can break free. Redrechie, you are right, just imagine your car with a 10 coiler in it as you pass the fueling stations AND the power pedestals for charging. We have shown all this is possible with just a few items at the conference. John's wheel producing over 1.5 million joules of energy, Rick driving a electric lawn mower plus his electric car, The 10 coiler running on its own power and Peter sharing (teaching) the secrets of the Lockridge device and Patrick's latest vid. All I can say is WOW and look out 2011.

Jeff

You got your quote.  So what about your data to back up your claim?

MileHigh
   
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Jeff,

You claimed your whole system was OU, don't pull this "the battery swapper is not OU BS"
I approached you on energetic forum because I have $20k to spend on a proven OU system.
It was your inability to answer the most basic questions about your setup which prompted me to not purchase the 10 coiler.
Either you have OU and your an idiot, or you don't have OU and your a FRAUD.

So which is it?

Ozy

P.S. Your actions are not helping OU research, they are making it harder for those of us who do believe it is possible.
   
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