Ion:
Congratulations on your early retirement! Nice that you can do your own thing!
Grumpy:
It does seem to be "all over the place."
I think part of the problem is that the term "radiant" meant one or more things in the late 19th century, but the meaning of the word has evolved over time. So I think there is a lot of confusion here and people are comparing apples with oranges with pomegranates.
Going back to Bearden for a moment and the link that John provided, there is this quote:
Suppose we "hit" a battery's terminals with an instantaneous leading edge
rise of a pulse of electrons and potential. Let us assume the "hit" is in
the "battery-charging" mode. The electrons drive in instantly, trying to
force the heavy ions to start moving in the charging direction. For a
moment the lead ions just sit there, and then very slowly (compared to the
electrons!) start to reluctantly move in the recharging mode. During that
"ion response lag" time, the electrons continue to furiously rush in and
pile-up on the plates. The charge density sharply increases on the plates
in that pile-up where the charges are "squeezing" together (clustering). So
now we have a much higher potential suddenly rising in the squeezed charge
cluster, because of the increased charge density arising there.
I don't buy this for a second. There are no electrons "piling up on the battery plates." Current flows in "curvilinear cubes" through all of the conducting volume of the battery. It is impossible to have electrons bunching up on the battery plates.
In my book that's two strikes against Bearden. The first strike is his fabricating a story about an elusive "negative resistor" that somebody invented but the knowledge was suppressed by the powers that be. The second strike is to fabricate a story about electrons bunching up on the battery plates suspended in the electrolyte. People that do not understand physics and electronics will gobble this stuff up and believe it. This does not cast a positive light on Bedini either since he associates himself so closely with Bearden.
From my perspective the literature and other media clearly indicate that Bedini systems are supposed to produce free energy. However, if push comes to shove you can always point to somewhere in the literature where Bedini categorically states that a Bedini motor does not produce free energy.
All that being said, results on the bench would really help matters. I believe that ultimately the battery is supposed to "bring the radiant (or whatever) energy over to the real side" where it can be measured and do useful work in the real world. Hence the interest in John's or anybody else's real-world bench test data.
With respect to the bench, I have explained what a Bedini motor does. It is simply a timing device, a.k.a. "mechanical oscillator" that energizes an inductor and then allows that inductor to discharge it's stored energy into a charging battery. When the inductor does this it is acting like a current source, because that's what inductors do. If the load that the inductor discharges into has a very high resistance, then you will get high voltage spikes as a result of the unstoppable initial current flow.
The vast majority of people that experiment with Bedini motors, I will guess more than 98%, have no real idea how the device works as described in the paragraph above. Even John K. was not aware of this based on what he stated in his first few postings. I doubt that Bedini or Bearden ever mention this fact in their literature or their DVDs. In contrast, if you take an Electronics 101 course, you will learn this material.
I find it all very sobering and frankly quite strange that people have worked with Bedini motors for years without really understanding how they work. It is doubly strange that Bedini never mentions this. Some people see high voltage spikes and are convinced that is the motor producing "radiant energy."
v = L di/dt. The voltage output from a discharging inductor is proportional to the size of the inductor and the rate of change of current flowing through the inductor with respect to time. The higher the load resistance you connect across the discharging inductor, the faster the current will decay with respect to time, and this results in very high voltage across the terminals of the inductor. This is not "radiant energy," it's just a coil discharging its conventional energy.
Anyway, perhaps we can cut to the chase and talk about real-world results on the bench?
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