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Author Topic: Christmas 2016 Gift From Bruce TPU  (Read 24445 times)
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http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/new/topicseen/#new

respectfully
Chet K

http://tpupower.net/contact.php

Not sure who's forum this is, (Bruce?) but it can be joined for a subscription fee.  Someone named "Aaron" is the graphic web designer. (facepalm)

http://tpupower.net/offer.php

Let's hope Bruce has something interesting to show  in 5 days.


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A repost from here

http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/msg497473/#new

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In preparation for what I'm giving you Christmas day, the circuit to make kicks electronically, you REALLY need to understand what the kick is and what causes it so that YOU can come up with ways to generate a LOT more.


This first video has poor sound and I made it a long time ago, so apologies ahead of time.  Future video or two I may decide to share before Christmas, the sound is much better!


I'm not going to answer any TPU questions until Christmas day (some questions, within reason)


I will be posting things only to this thread.


Today's lesson :
https://youtu.be/pux_QHARA5Y


Cheers and enjoy,


Bruce
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That's pretty rich... a blind man, giving lessons on how to see... 

Guess what....  E=-d(phi)/dt. 
   
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Well
speaking for myself .... well actually quite a few others too .

It will be good to see BruceTPU's Christmas day gift ,and just where it leads .

regardless, I am grateful for his efforts and his willingness to share his work , and I am quite certain he expects scrutiny !!
I would imagine he embraces it, as any serious claimant  would.

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Chet K

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I call your _E=-d(phi)/dt. _ and raise you two cheeseburgers [Extra Cheese]

winner take all ??

   
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Has BruceTPU ever actually built a functioning TPU? I don't believe that he has. So why is he giving us "lessons" on how to build one?

Look at it this way. Would you take a guitar lesson from someone who can't play a guitar himself, has only one hand, with three fingers, is tone deaf, and who has never actually _seen_ a guitar?

Sure, I'm looking forward to seeing what he presents as a Christmas gift too. I'll wager it is some kind of interrupter circuit that rapidly cuts off the current in a coil to produce a high-voltage spike.  Here's what it _won't_ be: self sustaining, or overunity, or presenting any new electronics or physics principles.

I'm happy to see people present their experiments and results. I am _not_ happy with people who claim to "know better" or who pretend to "give lessons" about things they can't do themselves, especially when the information they "teach" is actually misinformation, mere conjecture and/or flat-out wrong.

   
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I'm always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, however we should do our "due diligence" with any claimant. In the video posted, there are  some possible errors perhaps unintentional. I hope these can be discussed later.

1) the schematic shows a connection dot that effectively shorts out diode D4. This in effect places D2 nearly directly across the input supply. I believe it is an unintentional schematic error.
 
2) putting a 25k resistor in the shield lead of one's scope will lead to a lot of hash and noise spikes on the actual sensing tip of the probe. We see this on the scope. Is there another scope ground in the system?

The schematic itself is difficult to decipher, as there seems to be no actual use for the two transformers as the only load is the scope's input impedance or possibly the 25k resistor. We do not see the probing points for the other channel.

The lamp load seems to be mainly supplied by the input source. Since the schematic is very blurry ,we will have to wait for a clearer version.

« Last Edit: 2016-12-24, 04:18:57 by ION »


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the thing with ch1 and ch2 may be a signal generator instead of a scope.
   
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the thing with ch1 and ch2 may be a signal generator instead of a scope.

Very true, G, and that would make more sense as far as mixing two frequencies in an  phase sensitive transformer circuit.

The problem with documentation that is wanting.


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Very true, G, and that would make more sense as far as mixing two frequencies in an  phase sensitive transformer circuit.

The problem with documentation that is wanting.

The problem with the "documentation" is that it makes no sense, makes no coherent claims and looks like it was drawn by someone with absolutely no knowledge of how to draw a proper schematic.  Light up an LED with a 9 volt battery and a function generator? Merry Christmas !!!!

Can someone translate this into terms that I might be able to understand?

http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/msg497567/#msg497567

"Kicks" ? How's this for "kicks":  800 v "kicks" from a depleted AAA battery, lighting up 6 NE-2s in series, no function generator or other power supply used.
   
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Here is the circuit as it should be drawn. This has so many problems e.g. attaching the scope ground to the flyback point.

Lighting a super high brightness LED in this configuration is proof of nothing, since it can be lit up with far less e.g. just attaching it to an antenna and holding the other end of the LED.

I expected better documentation and a test procedure that is a proof of principle.

Hopefully Bruce will show how to light an incandescent lamp of a few watts with no other equipment attached, not a super bright LED hooked to a flyback circuit and needing batteries.



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Thanks for the re-draw. Can you explain how the P-ch mosfet is being used "in a novel way"? Since to me it appears to be used as an ordinary high-side switch (cleverly disguised by putting the positive rail on the bottom of the schematic instead of the top). 

As far as "lighting an incandescent lamp of a few watts with no other equipment attached" ... well, maybe he'll show us that next Christmas.      :D

 

   

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In preparation for what I'm giving you Christmas day, the circuit to make kicks electronically, you REALLY need to understand what the kick is and what causes it so that YOU can come up with ways to generate a LOT more.
Was this constraint met as promised?

The driver circuit is upside down. Then is the pulse inset meant to be flipped also. And then could this be a reader circuit by impacting the aether with a primary pulse?
We were told a kick generator but the caption reads 'Stethoscope'.
Does inverting multiple random points constitute a new found discovery from an advertised theory?

Or do we have a false prophet looking for followers or competing demigogs? Just asking...

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Thanks for the re-draw. Can you explain how the P-ch mosfet is being used "in a novel way"? Since to me it appears to be used as an ordinary high-side switch (cleverly disguised by putting the positive rail on the bottom of the schematic instead of the top). 

As far as "lighting an incandescent lamp of a few watts with no other equipment attached" ... well, maybe he'll show us that next Christmas.      :D

Hi TK

While it is customary to draw the positive rail at the top of the circuit and negative rail at the bottom, it is not always the case, especially when it is an all PNP populated circuit. I chose to draw a positive ground circuit for clarity, but this can be easily flipped. Actually the only ground specified is the scope ground, which is strangely put on the drain of the FET, where huge spikes will be injected into the scope ground, skewing any tip measurements. Not a good practice.

Since Bruce does not specify if he is using an enhancement mode or depletion mode FET, it is difficult to decipher exactly what he is doing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depletion_and_enhancement_modes

 I see nothing novel about the use of the unspecified Pfet device. Without this information, an not knowing what the signal generator levels are set to, we are left to play a guessing game.

A worthy full disclosure would include much better documentation including a procedure that explains exactly what the circuit is supposed to do.

 As long as he is using super bright LED's that can be lit with microwatts of power and shuffling those uWatts around a switching circuit that includes an antenna that has a capacitance to earth, I think it is easy to fool oneself and jump to some false conclusions regarding where the power for the LED is coming from.

I hope I am proven wrong.

Since Bruce was offended by Marco's most recent post (now deleted), he left the stage so its all moot.

If Bruce were able to light a small incandescent bulb without the use of batteries, he might have something interesting to replicate.

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Or do we have a false prophet looking for followers or competing demigogs? Just asking...
Only Truth withstands contentions.

Well GK, you can plunk down $9.95 a month and get the "Truth" directly from Bruce here:

http://tpupower.net/offer.php

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For seven years and thousands of hours, working off of the notes of one of the greatest unknown minds of our time, Bruce was able to solve mathematically for the the use of Earth's stationary waves created within the cavity that exists between the ionosphere and Earth ground. This cavity has an inherent resonant frequency.

By tuning just off of this frequency of the Earth and by accelerating electrons to near the speed of light with an antenna like configuration, this green energy source CAN be tapped. This would transform the planet as we know it, allowing unlimited power usage worldwide. Solar energy depends upon the sun shining. Wind energy depends upon the wind blowing. But this energy obtained via tapping into these huge magnetic waves that surround the Earth are available 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

YOU can now be a part of this historic research! By SUBSCRIBING TODAY you will enjoy a front row seat as the shift is made from mathematical theory to a real world working device!

YOUR subscription will help to fund this ongoing, energy revolution!

When you subscribe to the "Schumann's Secret" Newsletter, you will have delivered to your email a twice monthly summary of the previous weeks experiments and be given box office seats to private YouTube videos of the ongoing quest, via experimentation!

For less than the cost of just one soda a month, you WILL BE part of an energy revolution!

Forum subscription ($9.95/mo):

Somebody has expensive taste in soda pop, more than  $9.95 ?
« Last Edit: 2016-12-26, 16:49:21 by ION »


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That's some pretty expensive soda!    :P

   
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Oh... and just for grins... the power of capacitance to earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDh8sTc8Kw

No soda thanks, but I will can haz cheezburger now...    :-* :-*
   
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That's some pretty expensive soda!    :P

Cheap compared to this:

https://www.amazon.com/VIRGILS-SODA-ROOT-BEER-16-8/dp/B001HTRBPK/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Bruce was right!

But let's look closer at this:

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(you will) be given box office seats to private YouTube videos of the ongoing quest, via experimentation!

Note the words "ongoing QUEST!

In other words, Bruce is still searching like everyone else, but gets to freely see everyone else's open source work, repackage it and charge $9.95 a month for it while everyone else gives their work gratis.

"Have I got a deal for you. Not $10.00, not $9.00 but $9.95 That's naan naanty five just for you".

I guess Bruce was expecting a flock of new subscribers to join his secret forum, when that didn't happen and so few took the bait of the "Christmas Surprise" he left disappointed.

As a gesture of "Good Will to all men everywhere", maybe Bruce could have for that one day allowed access to his forum, to see if they liked it enough to subscribe.

TK: nice demo of how capacitance to the surrounding environment can trick people into thinking they only have one wire, and no apparent current return path.

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Peter already showed the real "kick" a long time ago.
   
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Well, that proves one thing at least: you can fool some of the people all of the time ...
   
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Wanted to post the following in "Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2" thread on overunity.com, but it seems to be locked.


I put it here for later use,  any comments welcome:




Allmost there, still waiting for the UDB 130xs FG as i don't want to toast my Rigol FG
How are the other replicators going?

I made the below quick setup using my single channel UDB1000 FG which drives the both MOSFETs simultaneously.
I use only one 12V battery for the moment for the offset, and one 12V battery for attachment to the WIRE.

The picture explains the severall components.

Be aware that the P channel MOSFETs need a negative(r) voltage on the gates conmpared to the source (at 36V) to be switching
The screenshot shows in blue the source voltage (here only 12V), and in yellow the gate voltage (when out of circuit).
(i have slightly offset the blue and yellow channels to see more clearly, but they should be on the same level!!).
So set your FG to a square wave ALL NEGATIVE signal 96% / 95% duty cycle etc.

The current probe will be measuring any currents on the WIRE.
There is now some magnetic field as being picked up by the magnetic pickup loop VU meter, but this disappears when attaching the ground leads of the scope.
The signals when scoped (gate, source and current) are terrible, but will be showed when the setup is complete with 36V batteries, and the correct dual channel FG

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Dear Itsu

From Bruce's gift drawing we notice there is no load resistance in the drain-source-battery-fuse-meter circuit. Hence, the only factors that can limit peak current are the residual resistance and inductance of the devices in the loop, but the predominant resistance will be the "on-resistance" of the FET itself.

Looking at the curves on p-3-422 of the attached data sheet, we observe in the lower left the "on-resistance" figures for various gate drive applied voltage. The curves go steeply vertical for low gate drive voltage, but seem to be about 3 to 5 Ohms up to 1000 mA for higher gate drive. Also note the lower right drawing on the same page which indicates a rise of on-resistance versus temperature of the device.

With this in mind, we can roughly calculate the power being dissipated by the FET for a given gate drive voltage, also we can factor in the duty cycle. There should be some very high peak currents in the circuit.

I suspect this circuit will be prone to blow out the FET's if the duty cycle "on time" is high. I also expect with 36 volts applied that the FET's will be quite hot, which will further increase on resistance, thus limiting current even further if they don't burn out first.

IMO, I see this circuit circuit as little more than an air core pwm driver to the pickup loop, but to give Bruce the benefit of the doubt, maybe there is some magic in the frequency mixing ? Good input / output power measurements would prove if this circuit arrangement has any merit, which Bruce  has not done. Lighting an LED is proof of very little.

Hope this helps
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