@TinMan
Hydrogen production has been around for years but not many look into it in the sense of energy input versus energy output to reach overunity levels. Companies just push the energy required and receive the hydrogen produced and the buck stops there. To attack the problem from an OUers standpoint, where you want more energy out of the system then what is put in, then there needs to be an evolution of methods that totally involves research into the most direct and efficient method of H production.
If you look at my Hydrogen 2 video located here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjbGTjE0i7oat around 4:20 where you can see the Hydrogen shooting off the metal surface (this is one of my 6 given SC attributes to the atom - Shoot) which is the same as if you struck two battery leads together to make sparks shoot out, the same is happening in water with the hydrogen atoms are just shooting off the metal surface. The thing about hydrogen atoms shooting off and away from the cell surface is that they have some inertia and can bump into released oxygen atoms and reform into water again. When you consider the trails that are made behind that shooting atom, in water, and compare it to a bullet being shot in a pool, you can appreciate the amount of power being exerted on the atom and that power as inertia can be enough to have it collide and recombine with other atoms.
Like everything, like pulsing a coil, each atom will either be responsive, neutral to, or counter-responsive to the pulse and when you add all this up, you finally get an output which is basically the "remainder" force but not before the great fight inside the wire atoms, some favoring the pulse, some "resisting the pulse" you get output. Same is happening inside the H cell. Some H atoms manage to become free and remain free, some are shot back towards O atoms and recombine. You are saying there is an energy release, but there needs no energy release. The energy you put to split the H2O either is now held by the two distinct atoms or when they recombine, their energy now recombines as well but I do not think there is a "release". The heat you talk about is just water atoms moving faster near the surface of the cell. It is not an energy release just the result of atomic friction. The friction is a side effect of the total process.
But besides all this the greatest hindrance to H production is the topology used to produce it. Just know that whatever you build HHO stacks or even simple or fancy copper coils, you will also build into it all the known and not yet known checkmates. Stacks can have dead zones, water flow can produce channeling, air bubbles stick and block surface contact/reaction, voltage may not be optimally set, maybe 20% more amperage can produce 40% more gas, vibrated cells versus static cells, I can go on and on. Voltage/Amperage/topology/method are all elastics that need to be stretched to their best positions to make it all work in unison. That and maybe surface finishing. Just pulsing a stack and making gas won't cut it. Fancy or brute force pulsing methods will make up for some lack of topology but never overflow as OU.
Yes gases will recombine so the main task is to produce and remove it from the stack as fast as possible so there is no time to recombine. So you ask yourself, the bubble produced at the bottom of your plates has to go where to exit the stack? If the time for each bubble to exit the stack is not the same and very slow, it will always look to recombine. You can't see it from the macro but you can somewhat from the micro in my videos but i cannot go any closer since I was at my instruments limits. I'd need a much better microscope. I was hoping that if a University student saw my video this could push some to do this with much better instruments then what I have on hand.
In water treatment we calculate resident time for reaction chambers. If you could calculate the actual total water volume in your stack and divide that by your flow rate, it will give you a resident time or contact time. The problem is the contact time is not the same for every hydrogen atom produced since some will need to travel longer distances to exit the stack.
Side Example: I think that if you could find let's say 100 coping saw blades held side by side to make one plate mounted vertically where the saw teeth alternate so the first tooth points left and the next points right thus alternating all with their teeth slopes pointing upwards, slight vibration and proper voltage and amperage will produce a ton of gas. The bubbles would be building on the tips and pushed off and away by the next one while the main body of the plate is held at the base of each tooth further away from the forming bubble. Sounds crazy but you need to get down to the atomic level and work out the topology there. That's one of the reasons I made those gas videos so we can see the action occurring even though this is far from the atom level itself. Or alternate the blades but all on the same side so only one face has all the teeth then just dunk that horizontally in a container with the teeth facing up in just 1 inch of water, hahaha. Each bubble will now be produced and exit right away.
Just trying to push you from sitting at a standard desk to a standing bar as a creative approach being more aware of the factors causing the effect.
OK, imagine you had the tech to produce a plate with trillions of pins raised only 5 or 6 atoms and spread 5-6 atoms apart, what type of surface this would make to produce gas. What did I show in the videos? What is a gas bubble but a missile rising up on a launchpad. If your missile launchpad was straight on the ground (smooth surface plate), how will it launch? If it was on a raised surface, how will it launch? Get it? If guys cannot answer these, then water fuel is a long way off before it becomes, I'll say "fully efficient" instead of saying OU. You have to understand at the atomic level and no excuses with miracle electrons, this is all purely premeditated evolution like the skin on our body needed to evolve to this day, we need to evolve our atomic physical with atomic and physically compatible surfaces better suited for producing the target element. Maybe this will sink in with our new university students who will have less of a history to combat.
Last point is this. If you want to work in hydrogen production, then you need to start from scratch. You make a small scale baseline system where you can experiment with different metals, different surface finishes, topologies and parameters. I was using titanium meshed plates coated with ruthium that I had made for and shipped from China. Very expensive but I was originally doing this first for studies in electo-coagulation of water contaminants and the titanium offered a minimum 50 years service life. Each little discovery will add to the next and eventually you develop enough empirical data to now start system building and testing. There is no other way. The chances of building one device the first time and getting everything right is like simultaneously winning four lotteries with the same 6 numbers. There needs to be a real serious commitment because the investment is not only the money but the life that passes us while we spend it on our benches.
If you want I can add some more perspective on voltage and amperage that play the pivotal role in all our effects and maybe this will give you some more angles of consideration. Angles leading out of the box that is. Things like how does the applied power translate on the surface of a plate, versus in a wire? If we could actually see the atoms respond, we would know that life is not only for the breathing. Them little critters react to stimulus as if they were alive, they exchange with others as if they were making deals, they are blocked by others as if they were confined in prison, they make them shoot as if going to war, there is this whole world in there that we are just oblivious to. Each copper wire or metal plate has zillions of atoms all waiting to be asked to dance.
OK, last thing that may be the most important. How to keep the H and O from remating. These two videos offer a great clue on how to keep the oxygen from recombining. We can talk more about this later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGEev8qulAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt4P6ctf06Qwattsup
PS: Sorry for long post. Sorry if I am off topic.
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