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Author Topic: Tariel Kapanadze self runner - new video  (Read 70343 times)
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comments on this video of Tariel Kapanadze self runner?
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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
I'm not sure what to make of this. So far after watching this and the other video with the radiator, I am still not convinced there is anything unusual going on. With more build details it might be possible to offer some commentary, but as usual, these are poorly done videos. This one in particular could be running off a charged capacitor, and there is not enough time in the video to convince me that it is a true self-runner.

Also, no one, including JLN has performed any proper input vs. output power measurements, and until that time, this is simply a curiosity imho.

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Yea - what .99 said.  ;)

From my optimistic side:

A three transistor ring oscillator, sequentially firing separate outer windings having a peristaltic pump effect upon the ground wire in the center. This creates a potential gradient from the ground point to the point where wires branch off the ground wire, after going through the coils.
The latter wires are connections to two windings under the sequential windings and the output from the spark gap. These last two windings would be considered HV primary to the last coil (secondary). The last coil (secondary) converts the HV (spark gap voltage) to 220V AC with a large DC offset.
The AC component is enough to provide power to the NST, through capacitive coupling.

The NST has an internal electrostatic shield. This must be connected to the same ground wire before it enters the pump coils.

I don't like the presentation, the video cuts, the power supply that shows full scale whether it puts out 20 or 12 volts or the presenter's attitude.

Even my optimistic side thinks another source of power will be found on his bench. (I believe our Russian counterparts have already decided this.)

Oh well, comments were requested  :)
   
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I support and agree with Poynt's view on this device. The latest efficiency figures from Naudain show 96%. Since the device is one large series loop (on the secondary) with an attempt to impedance match the multitude of series connected lamps to the line, it seems reasonable that there will be some loss in the MOT, the spark gap, and a little in the path through the earth.

As far as the Russian video, I'm always a little skeptical of a hodgepodge of wires, no full camera view, and the "trust me it's real" attitude of such presenters.

A better build, showings all devices mounted to a piece of plexiglass, with no hidden wires, full camera views etc. would be a bit more convincing.

The idea of a collector wire running through the center of the coil is a bit reminiscent of SM's work. Whether this central "collector" has any contribution to efficiency is to be determined. The test should be run with the  "collector" both inside and outside the main coil to determine this.

Also a DPDT switch to remove the earth grounds and replace them with a straight conductor would also be telling.

Wavewatchers "peristaltic pump" comment seems to align with SM's "squeezing the hose" analogy.

SM said both "lifting and squeezing" if I remember correctly.



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the best source of information is here http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?PHPSESSID=2fd49765ae4ce8e7488032789f6a961c&topic=4.0

The first post includes the two patents.

I was in Turkey last year for a meeting with the inventor of the large scale device - not Tariel but the other person on the patent, Metin Turk. We met at Urgr Yalciner's (the patent attourney) office in Ankra. As far as we can tell this apears real. You wont find anything on Metin Turk or current developments on the web - and it's uncertain where Tariel got the idea/information to make the first device.
   
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I just use chrome browser to view forein sites like the russian energy forum --
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?PHPSESSID=2fd49765ae4ce8e7488032789f6a961c&topic=4.0

Chrome will automatically offer you to do an english translation -- it's good enough to follow whats on the forum
   

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I think Kapanadze's device is real and I've been reading over some of the "explanations" of how it might work and they are absolutely hilarious.

The key elements appear o be the pulse circuit with the 5 flybacks and the ground connection.
   
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There are.. were? maps of the united states that defined where the earths surface was charged positive or negative.
These maps were originally developed to locate sources of naturally radioactive mineral deposits - arms race era
The maps were a product of Teslas work on natural radioactivity theory.
He thought that areas of earth that were naturally resistant to the absorption and conduction of aether from space would be found to be sources of radioactive material.
The aether bunching and compressing in these locations over billions of years producing exotic and dense radioactive materials.

Maybe you could drive two copper rods connect them with a length of wire and a capacitor in series and measure the capacitance value with a meter as you relocated on of the rods a number of times.

I will see if i can find the maps. I know the old black and white ones were not in the public but I saw one not too long ago in color and i think it was off of a geos bird.. you may look in http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/index.html  .  I found them once by accident looking at one of the geos brids who had a big chunk of 250.5mhz dedicated to it but it was not transmitting .. Im guessing it was mapping Schumann resonance
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Way to many unknowns to replicate Kapanadze.
   
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The Tariel Kapanadze work is very similar to the work of Frank Prentice a long time ago, before there were high tension lines crisscrossing the earth.

The system employs two grounds, a step up transformer, a spark gap and some tuning capacitors. Tariel may have figured out a method to combine the receiver with the transmitter.


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I watched the clip.  The ground connection was pretty poor!  He should have clamped a vice-grip on top of the wire.

It was very much a formula clip that I think we have all seen before.  The wish list would be a coherent demonstration of power in vs. power out.  Then, since it's a pulse circuit, show the schematic and construct a timing diagram based on your scope waveform measurements. Show where in the timing diagram there is an "extra energy" pulse that is the source of the over unity.

Not likely to happen.

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I'm not going to worry about it until we cannot ask 'what is power input?'. Why? Because it would already have been proven that power input was zero. Gonna be a long wait  :D

What bothers me about this person is he proclaims LC resonance has little to do with operation. I'm sure this is true. Then he talks about ferromagnetic resonance being used. I believe this is bogus.

Any charge pumping will be capacitive. I have no doubt many of the coils must be bare metal(if it works at all), at least bare between coil elements. Outer tape wrap would be fine.

Then there is the single ground point..... What good is this? If this device redirects Telluric current then, two points would be needed. If pumping static charge from our huge common capacitor then, same thing.

I must disagree with G about some of the theories being hilarious. I think all of them are, including mine  ;D

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Here is another one.... Conversion of static charge (Earth's surface - one side of THE big capacitor) to radiated energy(Spark) to allow a short lived but repeated connection between THE capacitor's plates(Earth's surface & atmospheric boundary layers).
Could explain one ground connection, battery start-up then removal, cable in the middle of the coil, maybe some other things

DONE!

Smoke'em if you got'em     :D

 
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The description of the device says that there is a connection to plumbing AND a radiator beried in the ground - this is "two" ground connections.   My initial thoughts that this device could be "real" were based on the schematic by Frolov which shows the two ground connections.

A large end connection like this on a transmission line will not reflect a pulse, but the change induced by the pulse IS felt between the ground connections.  Kind of keeps building up to some degree.

By the way, just because it is called a "ground" or "in the ground" does not mean that it is "ground zero".  One side is compressed and the other rarefacted, and the earth is the perfect conductor for this.

I agree that LC is not used at all, but his talk of ferromagnetic resonance makes me think that he either does not know how it really works, implying that someone provided the necessary information, or that he does not wish to divulge how it works. If the latter, then he may have still been given the info and promised not to divulge the source.

In any event, if he s using two grounds, then it probably works as claimed.

For further details, see the old article from the later 1800's where researchers used Rohmkorff coils connected to metal tables and plumbing - this was popular back in those days.  Also, take a good look at the work or Frank Prentice posted by ION, above,  and traveling waves induced by lightning.  Take these works of old and add a transformer for conversion.  Bada Bing!  Bada Boom!

This sort of thing is great for powering fixed articles such as buildings.  It is not easily portable and it isn't rocket science so patenting it is rather obtuse. 

Radiant Energy is not involved either, so all of the "so called explanations" of RE from the earth are BS!

Pass the output of a small Tesla coil through and a transformer - Bada Bing! - how in the Hell can that stuff be inductive? All currents are, so everyone can cut the mystical bullshit.
   
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- how in the Hell can that stuff be inductive? All currents are, so everyone can cut the mystical bullshit.

Sorry G. Guess I should have quoted Tesla word for word instead of offering my description of Tesla's words.

Yes, all currents can induce other currents. The problem is that magnetic fields do not add energy.

So, for those thinking this device might work.....

How?

BTW: The 'closed loop antenna', from the Prentice document, is now called a 'capacity hat'. Granted, a big one but still the same. It would be great for coupling to a transmission line being used only for the line capacitance.
   

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Sorry G. Guess I should have quoted Tesla word for word instead of offering my description of Tesla's words.

Yes, all currents can induce other currents. The problem is that magnetic fields do not add energy.

So, for those thinking this device might work.....

How?

BTW: The 'closed loop antenna', from the Prentice document, is now called a 'capacity hat'. Granted, a big one but still the same. It would be great for coupling to a transmission line being used only for the line capacitance.


("batteries" in a "replica" are irrelevant)

Correct, magnetic fields do not add energy and the magnetic field is not the field to focus our attention on.  The electric field is and they do sum algebraically.  (All currents have an associated magnetic field - all of them - no exceptions.)

How does it work?  Pulse a stack of flybacks into an open line with large surface terminations buried in the ground and run this open line through a transformer.  If the end terminations are too small, then it will reflect and the advantage is lost.

EDIT: The displacement current goes round and round and builds up to some degree.  Eric Dollard gives a very nice explanation of this in his book on Tesla Transformers.  This is not radiant energy at all and should not be confused with that.

Does he claim that the large transformer does not get as hot as it should get?

[The more I look into this device, the more it looks like someone told him how to do this.]

Does Kapanadze or Metin Turk know anyone in Russia?
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Yes [both].  To be more explicit, I take a very large self-inductance and a comparatively small capacity, which I have constructed in a certain way so that the electricity cannot leak out.  I thus obtain a low frequency; but, as you know, the electromagnetic radiation is proportionate to the square root of the capacity divided by the self-induction.  I do not permit the energy to go out; I accumulate in that circuit a tremendous energy.  When the high potential is attained, if I want to give off electromagnetic waves, I do so, but I prefer to reduce those waves in quantity and pass a current into the earth, because electromagnetic wave energy is not recoverable while that [earth] current is entirely recoverable, being the energy stored in an elastic system.

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What elastic system do you refer to?

Tesla 

I mean this: If you pass a current into a circuit with large self-induction, and no radiation takes place, and you have a low resistance, there is no possibility of this energy getting out into space; therefore, the impressed impulses accumulate.

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Let's see if I understand this correctly.  If you have radiation or electromagnetic waves going from your system, the energy is wasted?

Tesla

Absolutely wasted.  From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth.  Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth.

It is just like this: I have invented a knife.  The knife can cut with the sharp edge.  I tell the man who applies my invention, you must cut with the sharp edge.  I know perfectly well you can cut butter with the blunt edge, but my knife is not intended for this.  You must not make the antenna give off 90 percent in electromagnetic and 10 percent in current waves, because the electromagnetic waves are lost by the time you are a few arcs around the planet, while the current travels to the uttermost distance of the globe and can be recovered.

This view, by the way, is now confirmed.  Note, for instance, the mathematical treatise of Sommerfeld,
  • who shows that my theory is correct, that I was right in my explanations of the phenomena, and that the profession was completely misled.  This is the reason why these followers of mine in high frequency currents have made a mistake.  They wanted to make high frequency alternators of 200,000 cycles with the idea that they would produce electromagnetic waves, 90 percent in electromagnetic waves and the rest in current energy.  I only used low alternations, and I produced 90 percent in current energy and only 10 percent in electromagnetic waves, which are wasted, and that is why I got my results. . . .



You see, the apparatus which I have devised was an apparatus enabling one to produce tremendous differences of potential and currents in an antenna circuit.  These requirements must be fulfilled, whether you transmit by currents of conduction, or whether you transmit by electromagnetic waves.  You want high potential currents, you want a great amount of vibratory energy; but you can graduate this vibratory energy.  By proper design and choice of wave lengths, you can arrange it so that you get, for instance, 5 percent in these electromagnetic waves and 95 percent in the current that goes through the earth.  That is what I am doing.  Or you can get, as these radio men, 95 percent in the energy of electromagnetic waves and only 5 percent in the energy of the current. . . . The apparatus is suitable for one or the other method.  I am not producing radiation with my system; I am suppressing electromagnetic waves. . . . In my system, you should free yourself of the idea that there is radiation, that the energy is radiated.  It is not radiated; it is conserved. . . .

   

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hmmm...

Looks like a duck...

Walks like a duck...

   
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Everyone will see what they want in that build.

If I had a guess, it would be this.

Forget positive or negative, ground or no ground, just think polarity.

The grounded wires go to the center wires inside the cylinder. This would bring a permanent north polarity inside the outer coil. That's why you have more ground wires in the center to concentrate the north field. All around the outside and inside of the cylinder, there is the already present south field from the Earths magnetic field that is strong enough to turn a compass needle.

Now if the center north field is then pulsed on/off, the north polarity will then pulse inside the coil and saturate the outer coil with the north field. Each on pulse saturates the area with a north field. Each off pulse collapses the north field and lets the omnipresent south field re-saturate that same area. The movement of the north field on, then north field off with south field taking back the space is what creates the moving fields over the outer coil.

The energy required would be only to energize the NPN mosfet gate that will then pulse the drain/source through which is the ground wire on both ends. The outer coil catches the pulsing fields and translate these into electrical current that is stored in the capacitor bank. Once there is enough energy in the capacitor bank the feed source is removed and the cap bank now has enough energy to drive the mosfet.

If there are two mosfets, then each one goes on each side of the center grounded bundle to provide a total cut off of the north field from both sides of the bundle.

Hmmmm. That would be a very easy thing to test in any type of build.

All you really need is a pulsing north field near any type of coil and the south field will be there to meet any re-saturation of the same space. This eliminates any LENZ law because it only applies to coils that are driven from both polarities concentrated in the same coils like in a transformer, the primary north and south are on the same primary side and LENZ would be in the middle between the primary and the secondary. Whereas in the above condition the primary is comprised of a center north and the Earths south working together on the outer coil that is then the secondary.

But in this build there are two secondaries. The outer coil with many turns is one and the outer thicker coil with few turns is another. Both are being fed by the same internal north and outer south movements except that the coil of many turns is producing voltage and the coil of few thicker turns in producing amperage.

Maybe I am not saying this in the right way but I hope you guys get the general idea.

Actually I had been talking about this type of pulsing for a while then veered off into other tests when I did some tests in this direction that blew my HP2145B pulse generator.


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I am not going to discuss your theory about the apparatus, but instead want to comment on you discussion about the magnetic north and south fields.

"North" and "South" are naming conventions applied to magnetic fields based on accepted conventions for the directions of the magnetic lines of force.

So if you have a strong bar magnet and aim the north end directly at a face-on coil, we don't really say that the coil has become "all north."  It's more like the coil itself now has a "north" end and a "south" end.

The thing to remember is that magnetic lines of force are vectors that extend out to infinity for everything.  The magnetic lines of force vectors from two different sources of magnetic field will add together.  All magnetic lines of force (vectors) travel in closed loops, and when you add up all of the different magnetic force vector sources from multiple sources of magnetic fields then the resultant magnetic force vectors still travel in closed loops.

So if you are in space with a bar magnet in your hand the magnetic field extends out to infinity from the bar magnet.  Of course the magnetic field from the earth also extends out into infinity.

So when you are on the surface of the earth holding a bar magnet in your hand, the vectors from the two magnetic sources add together.  The earth's magnetic field on the surface of the earth is horizontal and static and running in a North-South direction.  The influence of the bar magnet causes a slight perturbation in the earth's magnetic field as viewed from far away from the bar magnet.  Closer to the bar magnet, the bar magnet's field dominates the earth's magnetic field.  This creates what is known as a "magnetic bubble" in the overall magnetic field.  The size and shape of the bubble is dependent on the strength of the bar magnet, and its orientation with respect to the earth's magnetic field.

Almost anything you play with that generates a magnetic field creates a magnetic bubble.  A coil with current flowing through it creates a magnetic bubble.

Finally, the truth is we don't care about any of this.  The earth's magnetic field, even though it is there in our laboratory, is static and unchanging.  A static magnetic field is not interesting because all of the action that we are interested in comes from changing magnetic fields with respect to time.  Of course you could move a loop of wire in the earth's static magnetic field and get induced EMF in the wire because of the changing magnetic flux going through the loop, but that is not practical because the magnetic field strength is so low and you need an external source of mechanical energy to do this.

Anyway, that's my mini treatise for you.  If you "get it" and go back and read your posting you might reconsider some of what you said.

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Is the coil picture that I posted the output coil of the device?  If so, does it have a core or is it an aircore coil?

(My connection is too slow for videos.)
   

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The receiver for Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter is also air-core. 

I think I'll reinvent the "wheel", get a patent on it, and try to make a few bucks.
   
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I'm so glad you can vouch for these devices and have seen them, I'm getting very intrigued, I might start to replicate something soon.  
It's too bad the website you posted is in Russian.  Anybody speak Russian and can translate for us?
It would be nice to have an exact schematic and more details....

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the best source of information is here http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?PHPSESSID=2fd49765ae4ce8e7488032789f6a961c&topic=4.0

You're both right.  I copied off about 50 diagrams from that thread.  It's up to 82 pgs. as of this post.  When those tinkerers invent circuits, they come up with things I never knew could exist.  Lots of information, though.  There are translation sites available, but knowing how to read Cyrillic Russian is obviously the easiest way to go.

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I just watched some of the videos, my first time.

The device in the can appears to me to be a transformer. TK refers to it and the battery as 'energy accumulators'. Even though the canned device looks like a transformer, I believe it is a line voltage capacitor.
Note: The load bulbs weren't in series. Output wasn't right at 220V but ranged wildly, no apparent regulation.

He seems to be quite a Tesla fan, and speaks at least two languages. I'm impressed.
   

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can looks liek a capacitor might be inside

green box thing looks like some sort or equipment - maybe it is a signal generator
   
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