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Chet K	Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « on: 2016-07-12, 00:09:02 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Being discussed here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20199-energy-conference-graham-gunderson.html All comments welcome there was some mention of a Mcfree MO ...but all is speculative ATM , respectfully Chet K ------------------------ Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration presentation.jpg (59.87 kB, 800x560 - viewed 897 times.) Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration end_view.jpg (186.45 kB, 800x1067 - viewed 836 times.) Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration iso_view.jpg (193.02 kB, 800x1084 - viewed 818 times.) Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration side_view.jpg (103.4 kB, 800x600 - viewed 778 times.) Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration timing.jpg (109.31 kB, 800x967 - viewed 748 times.) Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration scope.jpg (135.44 kB, 800x795 - viewed 585 times.) « Last Edit: 2016-07-15, 21:22:14 by poynt99 »

Smudge	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #1 on: 2016-07-12, 09:19:32 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 1940	Graham is a recent member of this forum posting as energyiseverywhere. Smudge

Chet K	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #2 on: 2016-07-12, 11:10:22 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Graham seems to make an amazing impression on the people he meets , and he is Open sourcing his work too !! Our world needs more men Like this !

TinMan	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #3 on: 2016-07-12, 15:06:26 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Chet K on 2016-07-12, 11:10:22 Graham seems to make an amazing impression on the people he meets , and he is Open sourcing his work too !! Our world needs more men Like this ! Well i went and read the thread at EF,as i to think Graham is a decent guy. Everything was looking great,and some very high COP+ numbers were being thrown around. I was thinking that this is not that hard of a build,but i was waiting for the hiccup--there's always a hiccup--that part that is hard to find or no longer exists,that is needed for the device to work--and there it was,right on que Quote: The big problem with replication is going to be getting the high permittivity "C" cores. Graham believes that they are no longer available commercially, however if money were available (say $5K) a custom lot could be contracted for. So if you have any of they "fossils" laying around you had better hang on to them. Oh well,maybe Graham will share a bit here on this forum,and give us some means of replicating his transformer. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Chet K	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #4 on: 2016-07-12, 16:17:18 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Yes the core does need a much closer look, it could hold a very big clue. a clue which may assist in other projects too. perhaps casting a C core is one possibility for experiments ,T1000 has mentioned home brew cores a Key in some of his investigations.

Smudge	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #5 on: 2016-07-12, 16:32:06 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 1940	Quote from: TinMan on 2016-07-12, 15:06:26 Oh well,maybe Graham will share a bit here on this forum,and give us some means of replicating his transformer. Brad Haven't seen him sign in so methinks the daily rubbish that is appearing on this forum could be putting him off. I think someone should message him to get his interest. Smudge

evolvingape	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #6 on: 2016-07-12, 17:11:23 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2502 Everyman decries immorality	Quote from: Smudge on 2016-07-12, 16:32:06 Haven't seen him sign in so methinks the daily rubbish that is appearing on this forum could be putting him off. How do you define rubbish ? --------------------------- Everyman Standing Order 01: In the Face of Tyranny; Everybody Stands, Nobody Runs. Everyman Standing Order 02: Everyman is Responsible for Energy and Security. Everyman Standing Order 03: Everyman knows Timing is Critical in any Movement.

Smudge	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #7 on: 2016-07-12, 17:21:42 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 1940	As this is an overunity research forum I define rubbish as anything that is clearly not overunity research. Smudge

evolvingape	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #8 on: 2016-07-12, 18:38:36 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2502 Everyman decries immorality	Your perspective of strict adherence to scientific practices is a narrow view and fails to take into account that this forum, is a forum of apes choosing to communicate, and apes can be emotional creatures at times. The moderators here defined overunity within the Power and Creed mission statement which I commented on a while back: http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3037.msg49180#msg49180 Quote from: evolvingape on 2015-05-31, 01:33:00 COEFFICIENT OF PERFORMANCE (COP) Again we must examine this parameter in the context of open and closed systems. In a closed system, the COP will be equal to the efficiency in a sense, but is expressed as a ratio as follows: 1:1 (η=100%), 0.8:1 (η=80%), etc. So one should conclude from the discussion so far, that the COP in a closed system will never be higher than 1:1. In an open system, the COP could be anywhere from 0.1:1 to 106:1. It all depends on the efficiency of the device (with low COP’s), and how much energy or power is freely added to the system from the “outside” with a given input power. COP in open systems is computed by taking the ratio between the freely added “outside” power (POopen), PLUS the output power (if any) supplied by the closed system (POclosed), to the user-supplied input power (PI). In equation form: COP = (POopen + POclosed)/PI OR = POtotal/PI Do we care if we are measuring collected open-system power PLUS closed system power on the output? No. What we care about is obtaining more total power on the output of the DUT, than we are supplying for device operation. OVERUNITY As already discussed, overunity is not possible in closed systems, and therefore can only exist in open systems. Overunity then is achieved any time a device or system exhibits a COP>1. I chose to study energy, and the history of war as it pertains to geopolitics. Both are important to me, and I chose to intervene in geopolitics while still undecided whether to give you hhop gen 3 or not.. ..ah.. the good old days.. --------------------------- Everyman Standing Order 01: In the Face of Tyranny; Everybody Stands, Nobody Runs. Everyman Standing Order 02: Everyman is Responsible for Energy and Security. Everyman Standing Order 03: Everyman knows Timing is Critical in any Movement.

giantkiller	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #9 on: 2016-07-12, 18:40:11 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Specialty cores and highly defined switches are all rubbish. The cores hold energy in a subdued mode and the switches are too slim in their transmission windows. This won't control or coerce the energy to do anything. Everybody has the better answer, no? Yeah right. None of this executes what Telsa was doing and that was metal cores for coupling, air cores for resonance and spark gaps for broad band transmission. No real technology, just straight forward answers. Maybe in the future cores will be glass and the flux will be photons but as of this writing only the cromagnon,brute force works when dealing with magnetic flux. Why? Because flux is a property of a very large medium. Any new technological attempts at this point is like hunting T-rex's with a fly swatter. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Grumage	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #10 on: 2016-07-12, 18:51:35 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 2765	Quote from: Smudge on 2016-07-12, 17:21:42 As this is an overunity research forum I define rubbish as anything that is clearly not overunity research. Smudge Well that's me out the door...... The adage " all work and no play " springs to mind. Cheers Grum. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

evolvingape	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #11 on: 2016-07-12, 19:05:04 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2502 Everyman decries immorality	Quote from: Grumage on 2016-07-12, 18:51:35 Well that's me out the door...... The adage " all work and no play " springs to mind. Most of us have one foot out the door at all times, survival mechanism. This forum certainly allows for differing points of view and self moderation. Real new tech stands unrefuted for eternity and becomes law.. --------------------------- Everyman Standing Order 01: In the Face of Tyranny; Everybody Stands, Nobody Runs. Everyman Standing Order 02: Everyman is Responsible for Energy and Security. Everyman Standing Order 03: Everyman knows Timing is Critical in any Movement.

Chet K	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #12 on: 2016-07-12, 19:43:37 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	images from Reiyuki at the conference http://imgur.com/a/oYyM7

verpies	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #13 on: 2016-07-13, 16:09:48 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3498	Quote from: Smudge on 2016-07-12, 09:19:32 Graham is a recent member of this forum posting as energyiseverywhere. Excellent! I wonder if he'll remember me from the Vortex-L list

verpies	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #14 on: 2016-07-13, 16:27:19 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3498	Anyway, what is the claimed O/I energy ratio? I read something about 1.03 but that is is not a "huge" ratio, especially when the inherent difficulties of measuring the energy content of high crest factor I*V waveforms, is considered.

Chet K	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #15 on: 2016-07-13, 16:34:31 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Reiyuki is being added to the forum , he was at Graham's demonstration and took many notes.

evolvingape	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #16 on: 2016-07-13, 16:39:52 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2502 Everyman decries immorality	Quote from: verpies on 2016-07-13, 16:27:19 Anyway, what is the claimed O/I energy ratio? I read something about 1.03 but that is is not a "huge" ratio, especially when the inherent difficulties of measuring the energy content of high crest factor I*V waveforms, is considered. TK has said many times that all that is needed for an electrical self runner is a COP of 1.3 1.03 is way to close to the margin of error for it to be accepted on measurement alone, so they would have to loop it anyway for credibility. --------------------------- Everyman Standing Order 01: In the Face of Tyranny; Everybody Stands, Nobody Runs. Everyman Standing Order 02: Everyman is Responsible for Energy and Security. Everyman Standing Order 03: Everyman knows Timing is Critical in any Movement.

Chet K	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #17 on: 2016-07-14, 14:38:50 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Here we have an "unofficial " block Schem form Reiyuki also some perhaps related info from the energetic thread https://electropub.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/non-linear-load-using-mosfets/ energetic thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20199-energy-conference-graham-gunderson.html ------------------------ Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration UnofficialDiagram_071316.png (48.53 kB, 779x576 - viewed 573 times.)

Smudge	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #18 on: 2016-07-14, 15:29:58 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 1940	Quote from: verpies on 2016-07-13, 16:27:19 Anyway, what is the claimed O/I energy ratio? I read something about 1.03 but that is is not a "huge" ratio, especially when the inherent difficulties of measuring the energy content of high crest factor I*V waveforms, is considered. According to one guy on energeticforum who knows Graham and helped him set up his equipment. Quote Graham was making his measurements using two different approaches: 1) Two Power Analyzers one on the input and one on the output 2) A Tektronix (2000) 4 channel scope with advanced math functions and probes Both sets of instruments agreed on the values being measured. From the warm up moment the unit started at 1.53 watts in and 9.43 watts out or a initial COP of 6.16. The load was a 12V automotive lamp that operated during the entire presentation. As time went on the COP improved an hour later the input wattage was down to zero (with four places of accuracy) with the output still at 9.5. That is a COP of infinity, but lets say around 50. I was in the front row to observe this. Graham reported that he has observed the input value go negative like -.25 watts in. What do you make of that? Smudge

Reiyuki	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #19 on: 2016-07-14, 18:24:29 »
Group: Mad Scientist Full Member Posts: 185	Quote from: Chet K on 2016-07-14, 14:38:50 Here we have an "unofficial " block Schem form Reiyuki also some perhaps related info from the energetic thread https://electropub.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/non-linear-load-using-mosfets/ energetic thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20199-energy-conference-graham-gunderson.html Yep. I'm also here now too, if anyone has some questions or needs more pics/notes. Just post/pm. The best question I think to ask for any claimed COP>1 device, is what does it do differently from the thousands of other attempts that failed, and what similarities does it share with others that also claim to succeed. The most unique thing I see in his system is the 'interrupted synchonous rectifier' on the output. Functionally, the entire circuit is very similar to Kapandze/Kacher where HV impulses are applied at precise part of a push/pull resonant tank circuit. But practically, I think only Magpwr on ou.com was the only other one ever mentioning a 'nanosecond interrupter' on the LOAD portion of a circuit. It's a brilliant idea, and could potentially saves us a lot of complexity in other areas. The other is the 'push/pull/sleep' timing cycle on the resonant input side. I suppose any PWM driver might give us similar results as well, but it means we have delays that give room for a compression-expansion cycle. -Rei --------------------------- When you say something is impossible, you have made it impossible

Grumage	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #20 on: 2016-07-14, 19:16:54 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 2765	Hello Reiyuki. Welcome to OUR. I have to agree with your sentiments regarding not tying down the output in a physical way. Your reference to Magpwr just made me notice that he has been absent from OU.com for quite some time now...... Hmmm...... Cheers Grum --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

evolvingape	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #21 on: 2016-07-14, 19:35:25 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2502 Everyman decries immorality	Quote from: Reiyuki on 2016-07-14, 18:24:29 interrupted synchonous rectifier' on the output Quote from: Reiyuki on 2016-07-14, 18:24:29 'nanosecond interrupter' on the LOAD portion of a circuit Are you describing chopping of the output power wave creating a localised resonant feedback loop ? --------------------------- Everyman Standing Order 01: In the Face of Tyranny; Everybody Stands, Nobody Runs. Everyman Standing Order 02: Everyman is Responsible for Energy and Security. Everyman Standing Order 03: Everyman knows Timing is Critical in any Movement.

Reiyuki	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #22 on: 2016-07-14, 20:32:47 »
Group: Mad Scientist Full Member Posts: 185	Quote from: evolvingape on 2016-07-14, 19:35:25 Are you describing chopping of the output power wave creating a localised resonant feedback loop ? Exactly. When current's flowing through a coil, any time you open that circuit you get a big voltage spike. In this circuit, it is the equivalent of a bridge rectifier running into a large capacitor bank, 99% of the time. At a very brief instant, the circuit is opened, causing a BIG voltage spike and doing something within and/or between the transformer cores. Regauging, changing permeability, flux compression, BEMF feedback, we're not sure what the actual mechanism is, only what rough parameters the effects show up under. Quote from: verpies on 2016-07-13, 16:27:19 Anyway, what is the claimed O/I energy ratio? Output variable between 5-10 watts total on his setup. The input is a resonant tank and depending on timing, it can go to zero or slightly negative. So, COP goes up past undefined, but the sum output to both windings are limited. --------------------------- When you say something is impossible, you have made it impossible

Reiyuki	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #23 on: 2016-07-14, 20:41:29 »
Group: Mad Scientist Full Member Posts: 185	Quote from: Reiyuki on 2016-07-14, 20:32:47 Exactly. When current's flowing through a coil, any time you open that circuit you get a big voltage spike. In this circuit, it is the equivalent of a bridge rectifier running into a large capacitor bank, 99% of the time. At a very brief instant, the circuit is opened, causing a BIG voltage spike and doing something within and/or between the transformer cores. Regauging, changing permeability, flux compression, BEMF feedback, we're not sure what the actual mechanism is, only what rough parameters the effects show up under. Output variable between 5-10 watts total on his setup. The input is a resonant tank and depending on timing, it can go to zero or slightly negative. So, COP can go up past undefined, but the sum output to both windings are limited. --------------------------- When you say something is impossible, you have made it impossible

evolvingape	Re: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration « Reply #24 on: 2016-07-14, 21:26:14 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2502 Everyman decries immorality	Quote from: Reiyuki on 2016-07-14, 20:32:47 Exactly. When current's flowing through a coil, any time you open that circuit you get a big voltage spike. In this circuit, it is the equivalent of a bridge rectifier running into a large capacitor bank, 99% of the time. At a very brief instant, the circuit is opened, causing a BIG voltage spike and doing something within and/or between the transformer cores. Regauging, changing permeability, flux compression, BEMF feedback, we're not sure what the actual mechanism is, only what rough parameters the effects show up under. My models for hhop electromagnetic are immature but they support this line of inquiry. --------------------------- Everyman Standing Order 01: In the Face of Tyranny; Everybody Stands, Nobody Runs. Everyman Standing Order 02: Everyman is Responsible for Energy and Security. Everyman Standing Order 03: Everyman knows Timing is Critical in any Movement.

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