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Room3327	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #75 on: 2011-01-11, 19:53:57 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 568	Hi GK, I was wondering about the connections, parallel or series, because I had some trouble connecting to get rotation. Apparently so did Tesla as he shows it two different ways in some of his patents. One way he shows, does not work, pay close attention to winding start marks (dots) I have shown on my schematics. If they are not connected to rotate, the field in the coils will just shift back and forth like AC and you will be scratching your head like me when I first tried it (built from the wrong Tesla drawings, yes he was not infallible). Nice looking build, I hope the gaps between quadrants don't allow to much stray or lost field? --------------------------- "Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material" Nicola Tesla "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #76 on: 2011-01-12, 16:02:19 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I will take note on the polarities. Also if the windings need to cover more I can make those additions. It was incredibly easy to make in the first place. Quote from: Room3327 on 2011-01-11, 19:53:57 Hi GK, I was wondering about the connections, parallel or series, because I had some trouble connecting to get rotation. Apparently so did Tesla as he shows it two different ways in some of his patents. One way he shows, does not work, pay close attention to winding start marks (dots) I have shown on my schematics. If they are not connected to rotate, the field in the coils will just shift back and forth like AC and you will be scratching your head like me when I first tried it (built from the wrong Tesla drawings, yes he was not infallible). Nice looking build, I hope the gaps between quadrants don't allow to much stray or lost field? --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #77 on: 2011-01-15, 05:15:14 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Current build ans set up. Smoked an LM7171BIM opamp. My bad. Did not have the negative 5v hooked up correctly. ------------------------ Space: The final frontier AVRDDSGK4ckt.jpg (15.55 kB, 576x227 - viewed 745 times.) Space: The final frontier GK4 rotation.jpg (104.22 kB, 576x488 - viewed 735 times.) --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Room3327	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #78 on: 2011-01-15, 19:34:21 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 568	Hi GK, I think you have it connected wrong for rotation, it looks like the first configuration I tried and the field just shifts back and forth. I believe you need to connect the opposite coils criss cross to get the rotating field. Room --------------------------- "Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material" Nicola Tesla "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #79 on: 2011-01-16, 03:12:30 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I agree. The one you are talking about is the Swaztika configuration. I was going to try what I posted first. But definitely both configurations. I repost Otto's wiring scheme of the GK4 initially. While I wait for DDS board replacement parts I am going to switch to the Keely controller. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGsq8g0-wo[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iH3j1-NJ0Q&NR=1[/youtube] Quote from: Room3327 on 2011-01-15, 19:34:21 Hi GK, I think you have it connected wrong for rotation, it looks like the first configuration I tried and the field just shifts back and forth. I believe you need to connect the opposite coils criss cross to get the rotating field. Room ------------------------ Space: The final frontier TPU4-01-Otto_coils.jpg (113.96 kB, 1152x1748 - viewed 675 times.) Space: The final frontier TPU4-01-otto_control_coil_wiring1.jpg (51.65 kB, 944x848 - viewed 896 times.) Space: The final frontier GK4 rotation.jpg (106.58 kB, 576x488 - viewed 905 times.) « Last Edit: 2011-01-16, 05:30:01 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Room3327	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #80 on: 2011-01-16, 18:45:16 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 568	You got it GK, The last graphic above is correct, but definately try it the other way just to see the difference. --------------------------- "Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material" Nicola Tesla "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #81 on: 2011-01-17, 01:25:04 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I can only go down to 13hz on my xr2206 based Keely controller, though. But this is ok for now. « Last Edit: 2011-01-17, 04:16:57 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #82 on: 2011-01-22, 19:52:05 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I will reproduce Room3327's LSR spec here since this is current build. I will show progress tracking. Currently focused on the phase shift part of the circuit. Have dual 8vpp @ 90 degree phasing. Current build is running at 417hz-arbitrary just to get signal through circuit to GK4. I get 40 degree static deflection on compass. Next step is find resonant frequency of the 2 phase sides of coil unit. Then spin field. No doubt I have to lower the operating frequency to get the compass to entrain. This will also involve changing the cap values in the phasing circuit. I got shweet here. I had this coil config setup [bucking] so i ran it. The compass turns to ccw to -40 degrees. I will reconfig the coil to 2nd diagram a [rotational]: ------------------------ Space: The final frontier LSRsch2.jpg (80.79 kB, 1104x816 - viewed 436 times.) Space: The final frontier LSRsch3.jpg (88.77 kB, 1104x816 - viewed 471 times.) Space: The final frontier LSRsch1-2.JPG (132.28 kB, 1104x816 - viewed 431 times.) Space: The final frontier DSCN0597.JPG (84.17 kB, 640x480 - viewed 456 times.) Space: The final frontier DSCN0603.JPG (89.79 kB, 640x480 - viewed 453 times.) « Last Edit: 2011-01-23, 16:25:59 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #83 on: 2011-01-23, 05:57:01 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	GK4 configured as diagram #2 [rotational]. Compass is deflected 180 degrees. The frequency used is 4.9k. Replaced the 1uf with the .01uf. The amplifier TDA2005 bandwidth is 15hz to 50khz. Next step: Find resonant frequency of each quadrant then add caps for that LC tank configuration. My hope is that the resonation will compensate for the gaps in the control windings. ------------------------ Space: The final frontier phasing.png (56.52 kB, 640x480 - viewed 434 times.) « Last Edit: 2011-01-23, 17:03:01 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #84 on: 2011-01-27, 04:00:21 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Where the phasing crosses there is a node created and it shows up on the scope. ------------------------ Space: The final frontier phase90blip.png (5.03 kB, 856x356 - viewed 421 times.) Space: The final frontier GK4-20110126.JPG (109.52 kB, 1157x933 - viewed 429 times.) --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #85 on: 2011-02-01, 03:48:19 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	SM said 'No' to my 20 foot diameter audio ring connected to a stun gun. But if you look at the SM17 there is twenty feet of cord in those large hoops. Now if we shock those we would get a high speed effective aperture. I wanted to know if we push away the natural magnetic force and when it returns we effectively have many lines (Flux) crossing a fewer lines (copper). See what my youtubes all point to now? When I saw the large white sparks on the SM17 video I knew it was a stun gun circuit driving it and I was trying to fit this against a tuned circuit with a return force. This is where I am headed with this current effort. It is a combination of all things discussed here and closely fits the SM17 physical design. With the large capacitors, the large diodes and the assumed 'Closed' spark gap device it sure looks like the stun gun circuit to a tuned ring, no? That would make it a horizontal ringed Tesla coil. The discharge we never seen but it thumps. Same thing. And it fits the simple circuit as most have tauted because we already know this design. This is why I posted this here. A charge pulse circuit with a coil, a diode, a neon bulb to a secondary. The shock wave that hits the secondary is minor current and huge voltage. This rings the secondary into a greater force. The magnetic field is held outward until this coil setup subsides and then is snaps back. No? --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #86 on: 2011-02-01, 19:33:51 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	In looking at a copper core in comparison to an iron core the field of the copper exists outside and is more available for manipulation. When using an iron core the power gets stuck in the core like the Leedskalnin permanent magnetic holder. The course or path has to be broken for the current to escape to an alternate path like the LED. With the copper core there is major Bloch wall dynamics going on. Do you agree and or can you see this? Biasing a copper core is one of the next additions I will inject into the test. I have a 3 layer copper core build but it is trinary phase or 120 degree. I also think that a compass would entrain to the copper core field since the energy is not saturating the core. I did post the two phase mix in the iron core and there is a spike where the phases cross in opposition. One would there would be nullification. But I contend that is an artifact of Bloch wall manipulation or stressing natural forces. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #87 on: 2011-02-03, 05:25:34 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Surface area to manipulate now exists between the center clockwise north field and the outer counterclockwise south field. ------------------------ Space: The final frontier bloch tube.png (37.69 kB, 640x480 - viewed 438 times.) --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

MileHigh	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #88 on: 2011-02-03, 05:48:12 »
Group: Guest	Giantkiller: If the blue in your diagram represents the magnetic flux like you would get in a toroidal inductor, then indeed it's accurate to say that if the flux in the center runs clockwise then the vestigial flux outside the toroid runs counterclockwise. However, it's inaccurate to say one flux path is a "north field" and the other flux path is a "south field." It's sometimes difficult to grasp that there is no north field and south field when it comes to a magnet. They are just naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnetic fields. The "north field" clockwise flux path is both "north" and "south" at the same time. If you sliced the toroid in two along the radial axis like you would break a doughnut apart in your hands, all of a sudden you would have a north-south half-doughnut facing a south-north half-doughnut. In effect there is an infinity of north-south magnets within the flux path if you imagine making two arbitrary radial slices through the toroid. It's the same idea where if you slice up a bar magnet each individual slice becomes a brand-new north-south magnet. No matter how you slice it up you create new north-south magnets. MileHigh

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #89 on: 2011-02-03, 15:05:13 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Thanks. I realize N & S map to a planetary or orbital axis as arbitrary labels. I put those in there just as labels. It is the rest of the description that is of greater importance. « Last Edit: 2011-02-03, 21:34:53 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #90 on: 2011-02-03, 23:56:44 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	GK201102 fully wound and connected in 2 phase drive. I now see how the top edge of the SM17 was formed. ------------------------ Space: The final frontier DSCN0611.JPG (95.1 kB, 640x480 - viewed 438 times.) « Last Edit: 2011-02-07, 04:09:00 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #91 on: 2011-02-04, 23:46:55 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Field representation ------------------------ StClair fields.avi (1402.5 kB - downloaded 230 times.) --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #92 on: 2011-02-08, 04:30:02 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Current test of current build. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn7c3T8t1DM[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHswoNpc0Tk&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube] « Last Edit: 2011-02-08, 18:04:05 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

wattsup	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #93 on: 2011-02-08, 13:21:07 »
Hero Member Posts: 520	@GK How you do'in bro. Nice vid and nice build. I have one almost like yours but my center copper core is full. Yours with top and bottom horizontals is a good move. You may want to try this frequency generator that I put on my OU FTP site. http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Software/frequency-generator/ You can use your sound card output via an amp and then have left/right pulses with phase control up to 20khz. The sound you are showing is very normal when using sound waves. Sine waves with variable amplitude. You should be able to hear up to 5khz, high pitch then nothing above that. Very normal for loose coil winds. But what I am more interested in is your mention of the nodes. So take the top and bottom horizontals. Connect one end of each inverse to the other and together as ground or common. Then put your left and right outputs to the other ends. Try pulsing those horizontals and see what type of output you will get from your outer coils. the horizontals will create a node point on each of the verticals that should be reversing polarity from top to bottom. You can then see the difference with your outer coils in quads parallel, halves parallel or all in series. This will give you a good base to see how the nodes either are additive or of canceling nature since this is what I am thinking now for my next build. So imagine your same build but your outer coils are all connected together with a top ring and a bottom ring, thus making all the verticals in parallel. This way when the inner top and bottom horizontals are pulsed the reaction of the nodes on the verticals can immediately exit the wires and collect on the parallel rings. This instead of having that energy try to make its way out of a complete quad, half or complete winding. You see, what I think will happen in the first test is that a good portion of the impulses will be lost in cancellation since some will be pushing against others and only the subset or remainder of all those push/pull effect will make it out of the winding. Whereas if all the verticals are in parallel, there is almost zero holding them back from exiting their appropriate polarity. When I get my build done on this hopefully this week, I will make a video of it. I am trying to see if such a scheme can help Bruce_TPU at OU. wattsup --------------------------- http://etherimpress.com

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #94 on: 2011-02-08, 18:21:57 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	@WU, Great. I will download the software and put it on my Acer. I have a few more steps to comply with Room's schematic for the phase pulsing. Then I can connect this build up in more ways. But at that point I need to mount this down with better connectors. Then I can change connections faster. The topology will be in a star or octopus layout. The testing should speed up to a quicker pace. I find it hard to work in a rat's nest of leads. I will diagram up your current description for a visual. You are the Node Master so I can see what you are telling. Thanks for the 'Answer to the call' here. There are a number of combinations possible with this build and I believe the many windings of small gauge wire does most of the trick. This is a programmbale Tesla coil with the head biting the tail. Harvesting an EMP. Pulsing sequential segments to spin a compass is misleading. Camster spun a compass with a pancake coil. Entrainment/micro magnetic not macro magnetic connection. This protocol here can help Bruce. He is performing by fixed frequency and focusing on wire length where the greater flexibility can start with variable frequency control. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

wattsup	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #95 on: 2011-02-08, 23:57:43 »
Hero Member Posts: 520	Quote from: giantkiller on 2011-02-08, 18:21:57 @WU, This protocol here can help Bruce. He is performing by fixed frequency and focusing on wire length where the greater flexibility can start with variable frequency control. Yes I agree. I am also worried that his fixed method will run into some dead ends that he will not be able to see past. For now I think it is just important to let him do his thing and bring forth some of his results. Only after that would I consider bringing some new things to the table because before that, we risk detouring his effort. I must say that his methodology is very precise and even though some have posted objections, he is holding strong to his orientation. The distraction factor can get very high at times. wattsup --------------------------- http://etherimpress.com

poynt99	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #96 on: 2011-02-09, 04:14:20 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	GK, You mentioned that you were monitoring something with your scope as well. Would that be the output of the TDA2005 by any chance? If so, does it look clean, and with what wave form are you driving this with? It sure seems odd that you were always getting a string of harmonics, in particular the second harmonic. A strong second harmonic appearing would indicate that you are driving with a sine wave, and the TDA2005 is distorting one half of the wave. .99 --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #97 on: 2011-02-09, 04:54:48 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	The outputs were clean sine waves. I did see that the second and nth harmonics appeared. I had to label the coil ends and measure the coil henries. I disconnected the coils and reconnected with 2.2uf caps for LC tanking test. I can go back and retest that, if need be. It was just a start up test. Whenever I have to change frequency I have to go back and adjust the lead lag phase adjust and the volume of the TDA2005 board.. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #98 on: 2011-02-09, 17:16:10 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	This is what previous testing has shown me: The GK201102 was hooked in a semi bucking mode. I have found that this is a good initial trial. Here is why: The bucking congifuration on iron core needs high amperage to get the field far enough outside to move matter like wire. The more iron in a core like a multiple turn iron core needs more power to make the windings sing. But this is even tough to do because the small awg will burn up. To advertise the coil activity use a magnet placed next to the coil. With an air core the windings are more available to move so the sound is audible. Quote from: wattsup on 2011-02-08, 13:21:07 @GK But what I am more interested in is your mention of the nodes. So take the top and bottom horizontals. Connect one end of each inverse to the other and together as ground or common. Then put your left and right outputs to the other ends. Try pulsing those horizontals and see what type of output you will get from your outer coils. the horizontals will create a node point on each of the verticals that should be reversing polarity from top to bottom. You can then see the difference with your outer coils in quads parallel, halves parallel or all in series. This will give you a good base to see how the nodes either are additive or of canceling nature since this is what I am thinking now for my next build. So imagine your same build but your outer coils are all connected together with a top ring and a bottom ring, thus making all the verticals in parallel. This way when the inner top and bottom horizontals are pulsed the reaction of the nodes on the verticals can immediately exit the wires and collect on the parallel rings. This instead of having that energy try to make its way out of a complete quad, half or complete winding. You see, what I think will happen in the first test is that a good portion of the impulses will be lost in cancellation since some will be pushing against others and only the subset or remainder of all those push/pull effect will make it out of the winding. Whereas if all the verticals are in parallel, there is almost zero holding them back from exiting their appropriate polarity. wattsup I will also wire each horizontal loop wired in series to a biphase segment to bias the other layer or its own collector. Much like Otto showed with the GK4. I have been getting great feedback from a number of you. Thanks. I listen. The combinations for this build that are in line with the TPU oeration are phenominal. I did get the 30awg leads labeled and numbered the connecting terminal blocks. These are in a position to mount to a work plate. But just having them labeled makes a huge difference in set up speed. I found that too many small gauge wires are not trackable by me. http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienScientist#p/a/f/1/KfVS-npfVuY Here is a wiring diagram: ------------------------ Space: The final frontier Wattsup-on-gk201102.png (25.3 kB, 514x572 - viewed 428 times.) « Last Edit: 2011-02-09, 22:09:07 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #99 on: 2011-02-10, 20:34:20 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling Quote While many transformers employ resonance, this type has a high Q and is often air cored to avoid 'iron' losses. The two coils may exist as a single piece of equipment or comprise two separate pieces of equipment. Losses? Energy is absorbed. It is not lost but needs to extracted in a different manner is all. Or use air core to have the power readily available. SM mentioned 'New type of inductive coupling'. From what I have seen the inductive resonance isn't used much except in OU type applications. Pertaining to the output of Choir groups, the audience feels the sounding notes of impact when the singers are harmonically in synch. The audience feels the power blast but the singers did not raise their volume. « Last Edit: 2011-02-11, 20:45:03 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

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