Space: The final frontier

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BEP

Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #50 on: 2010-10-15, 21:56:55 »

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GK,

Unless you are doing something a bit out of the ordinary, you will short circuit your 'SSR' as soon as you flip the switch or HV will get into the 'SSR'. From your drawing I can't tell if one or both will happen.

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giantkiller

Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #51 on: 2010-10-15, 22:35:48 »

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When the ssrs conduct the upper diodes are bypassed. Then when the SSr are off the field gets stuck in the coils. The HV will be tamed to 5ma. More shock than conduction.

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BEP	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #52 on: 2010-10-16, 04:54:37 »
Group: Guest	The SSR Jason created was using a MOSFet, best I recall. MOSFets can die if you drag your feet on the carpet before touching them. There is a fair amount of foot-dragging with your power supply.

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #53 on: 2011-01-03, 04:31:12 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I now have a digitally programmable sine wave generator. The problem is the LM7171 output won't drive a coil. I am designing a buffer, driver / amplifier to rectify this. The lm7171 output is 8.7vac @ 100ma max. Its supply is +-5.5 regulated from a 2 battery supply of +11 -11 . I would like to use the whole 22v across the coil and drive the coil with a 3055 or tip41. The transistors won't turn on. I am on the protoboard. If anybody has any submission it would save me time or give insight into other areas I am not thinking of. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

poynt99

Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #54 on: 2011-01-03, 05:25:06 »

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...

GK,

I assume you want to pulse the coils?

If so, what are you using to convert the sine wave? A schematic of what your circuit is at the moment might be helpful in encouraging ideas.

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giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #55 on: 2011-01-03, 18:27:11 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I have a dual channel sine wave generator with output from LM7171. In talking with Jason I decided to make a Darlington pair using a pn2222 to a 2n3055. This will give me a single supply operation with current drive. I am using the resonance to build a self destructing resonant harmonic ocsillator using feedback instead of excess current. Having attained that I will then impart a control mechanism. http://mb-soft.com/public/hurrican.html --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #56 on: 2011-01-04, 21:40:14 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote Harmonic resonance is the preeminent organizational principle of matter and energy in the universe. Like life itself, harmonic resonance represents a rare example where the entropy or disorder of a system is not increased, but is actually reduced with the onset of resonance, a spontaneous emergence of ordered spatial pattern out of a high entropy homogeneous medium. Harmonic resonance is the force that binds waves into particles of matter, and it is the harmonic resonance of chemical bonds that lock particles into bulk material substance. The octet rule that makes atoms swap or share electrons in an attempt to form complete outer shells, is itself a resonance phenomenon. A planet spinning on its axis is a kind of round-and-round pendulum, a rotational resonance with the surrounding universe, as is the orbit of a satellite around its planet, which can range from a near circular orbit to an extreme back-and-forth pendulum motion. Harmonic resonance is the force that organizes planets in their orbits, and stars in their galaxies. And it is harmonic resonance that binds the individual activations of countless billions of individual neurons into the coherent integrated framework of experience and willful action that we call Mind. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #57 on: 2011-01-05, 17:34:45 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	The secondary winding is of interest here. If the form of the secondary is straight then a tube works fine. As the tube is made into ring spaces occur on the outer side due to the diameter of the minor radius, the tube itself and not the ring. The diameter of the ring gives more windings. When the minor radius is made small this enables more windings and closer proximity of the outer winding increasing the inductance. Use 30awg to increase the inductance further. Another way to increase the inductance is to make the minor radius an elipse of elongated as in the picture. The example of this is the Don Smith and Steven Mark larger ring devices which show a greater promise of output. Quote Harmonic resonance is an extraordinarily diverse and varied phenomenon seen in countless forms throughout the universe, from gravitational orbital resonances, to electromagnetic oscillations, to acoustical vibrations in solids, liquids, and gases, to laser resonance in light and microwaves. Harmonic resonance spans a vast range of spatial scales, from the tiniest wave-like vibrations of the elemental particles of matter, to orbital resonances that emerge from spinning disks of gas and stars. But across this vast range of spatial scales and diverse media, there are certain general properties of harmonic resonance that are common to all of them. They all tend to oscillate at some characteristic frequency, and at its higher harmonics, frequencies that are integer multiples of the fundamental frequency. They all exhibit spatial standing waves, whose wavelength is inversely proportional to their frequencies. They all tend to subdivide one, two, or threedimensional spaces into equal intervals of alternating reciprocating forces dynamically balanced against each other, with the twin properties of periodicity and symmetry across every possible dimension of space and time. These, and many other properties, are properties of resonance in the abstract, manifested across all those diverse forms and media. Harmonic resonance is a higher order organizational principle of physical matter, that transcends any particular implementation in a physical medium. It is the properties of that transcendent, more general concept of harmonic resonance that are the focus of this book, because it is those transcendant properties that reveal the essential properties of resonance itself, and explain how those properties lead to the emergence of mind from brain. The minimal prerequisite for harmonic resonance is some system that when deflected from some rest state, or equilibrium condition, experiences a restoring force that pushes it back toward that equilibrium state. Also required is some kind of inertia, or momentum term, that makes it overshoot the equilibrium point and pass on through, continuing on to a deflection of equal magnitude in the opposite direction, from which point the restoring force will accelerate the system back toward the equilibrium center again, setting up for repeating back and forth oscillations that can continue indefinitely in the absence of frictional losses. ------------------------ Space: The final frontier TPU topology 20110105.jpg (69.15 kB, 711x881 - viewed 585 times.) --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #58 on: 2011-01-05, 18:18:17 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote But some of the most interesting aspects of resonance occur as a distortion of that endless pattern, as the resonance resists the distortion and tries to restore the symmetry of the perfect periodic pattern. In the phenomenon of entrainment, two oscillators, like pendulum clocks hung next to each other on a wall, will subtly distort each other’s oscillations a bit at a time, bending and warping each sinusoidal time trace until they are swinging in lockstep counterphase harmony. Quote The simple harmonic oscillator has another peculiarity that is of significance: it responds not only to periodic forces applied at its natural fundamental frequency, but it also responds to higher harmonics of that frequency. For example if a pendulum, initially motionless, is tapped periodically at exactly double its fundamental frequency at the moment it reaches the equilibrium point, it will begin to swing half-cycles, making repeated excursions in one direction only, to reverse abruptly at the equilibrium point as it rebounds off the next tap. Although it takes precise tapping at precisely the right time and strength to achieve this kind of motion, this peculiar property of the simple harmonic oscillator opens the possibility for setting up pairs of identical pendulums swinging against each other, colliding and rebounding off each other across the equilibrium point, creating a double oscillation of mirror-symmetric motions at double the fundamental frequency. In fact, any number of simple harmonic oscillators can be strung together in this manner to create compound oscillator systems. For example mass-and-spring oscillators can be chained together into a string of masses connected by springs, each one a simple harmonic oscillator, but together they form a complex compound oscillator that exhibits many more levels of resonance than the simple harmonic components of which it is composed. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #59 on: 2011-01-05, 18:22:57 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote However only harmonically related frequencies form closed trajectories, or static Lissajous figures. If the frequency fx is not an integer multiple or fraction of fy then the pattern will cycle endlessly across the scope, a travelling wave rather than a standing wave, never quite retracing exactly the same pattern. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #60 on: 2011-01-05, 18:24:14 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote Once again we see a very simple system composed of two independent oscillators, that produces a fantastically complex repetoire of beautiful periodic and/or symmetrical patterns when combined. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #61 on: 2011-01-05, 18:55:37 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote The electrostatic forces that hold atoms in their molecular places, act over a quite limited range. But atoms also interact across much longer distances by the principle of entrainment and resonance. An agitated atom in a lattice vibrates energetically at its natural resonant frequency, and that tiny oscillating electrostatic charge radiates energy outward in all directions as an electromagnetic field, that appears in the form of a miniscule, but constantly reciprocating force of modulated attraction or repulsion. That tiny alternating force can be detected by a distant atom that happens to share exactly the same resonant frequency, because the tiny pushes of the alternating field accumulate over time, as when pushing a child on a swing with carefully timed shoves, and thus the effect of that reciprocating field is magnified by orders of magnitude in influence, compared to the static force of attraction or repulsion, whose effect is negligable except at very short range. I believe Steven Mark called it a new form of induction. The gyrating, thumping of the TPU is harmonic resonance. Steven Mark also stated that 'Bang on' was a bad thing. It has also been stated the power line transformers blow because of impedance mismatch. One place is but the whole process is Harmonic. Have achieved 'Bang on' with squares and sines. It ain't pretty... --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #62 on: 2011-01-05, 19:54:26 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote This “sea” of electrons thus behaves like an emergent larger object, an elastic object on the size scale of the bulk material itself. The resonant frequency of this “sea” of electrons, therefore, is not a property of the individual electrons of which it is composed, but rather, it is a property of the larger global entity into which they are seamlessly merged. Sounds like Aether to me... --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #63 on: 2011-01-05, 20:44:09 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote The selective amplification of harmonic oscillations over chaotic or inharmonious ones stems from the fact that the chaotic, random oscillations tend to cancel each other out, whereas any coherence in the oscillations of groups of atoms will feed back on itself each cycle, which eventually produces global coherent oscillations from the energy of initially random noise. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #64 on: 2011-01-05, 20:47:01 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Two coils driven in resonance 180 degrees out of phase. A reader or collector sandwiched in between. The middle layer will be impedance mismatched. Sounds like a MEG configuration. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #65 on: 2011-01-05, 20:51:30 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote The wave equation captures the very essence of the higher order organizational principle behind harmonic resonance that is common to all of the diverse physical manifestations of resonance. « Last Edit: 2011-01-05, 21:58:09 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #66 on: 2011-01-05, 22:02:38 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote Given the fact that Fourier theory shows that virtually any waveform can be expressed to arbitrary precision as a sum of component sinusoids, we see that virtually any waveform can be expressed in the form of standing waves in a harmonic resonance representation, and those patterns that have the properties of symmetry and periodicity can be most easily expressed using only the lower harmonics that require the least energy. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #67 on: 2011-01-05, 22:12:44 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	http://www.falstad.com/modebox/ @00:26 seconds... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI_PRN3Kop4&feature=player_embedded[/youtube] « Last Edit: 2011-01-05, 23:05:40 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

muDped

Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #68 on: 2011-01-05, 23:44:34 »

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Very interesting!

Our universe is indeed very "electric."

The speaker expresses thoughts which are very much
in line with what we're told in "The Book." Our Creator
is an inexhaustible source of energy more enormous
than we can possibly imagine; to whom all things are
possible.

We may not yet have the intellectual capacity to fully
comprehend the magnitude and the beauty of the entire
creation, but one day we will. Each of us.

There are many, many "secrets" to be gradually revealed.

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giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #69 on: 2011-01-06, 04:23:53 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	The 30awg quadrants of the GK4 are 3 ohms! The kit47(TDA2003) and kit 143(TDA2005) are usable drivers for 2 to 4 ohms! The kits are 6-10watts output. SHWEEEEEET! With 3 layers I have 12 speakers in a handheld package. And in line with Keely I have 2 chord pairs. In each pair I will invert the phase of 1 chord against the other. A chord is 3 notes. The Star of David is 2 chords. The Gk4 is comprised of 2 stars. The Star of David is all over the Coral castle. The witnesses in Homestead heard tones. I have in inventory: http://www.dualav.com/mobileaudio/xpa.php 600watts! I am going to push some serious magnetic fields. ------------------------ Space: The final frontier dual xpa4100.jpg (9.81 kB, 220x220 - viewed 562 times.) « Last Edit: 2011-01-06, 04:51:47 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #70 on: 2011-01-06, 22:03:07 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Quote Trigger two oscillations with the right frequency and phase relation, and you get a rotating pattern. This kind of dynamic pattern generation principle could be used for example in motor control, to produce a rotary pattern of muscular contraction, and in sensory systems, to capture or characterize the rotation of a dynamically cycling waveform pattern by the phase relation between its static harmonic components. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

muDped	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #71 on: 2011-01-06, 23:43:41 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Quote from: giantkiller on 2011-01-06, 04:23:53 ... The witnesses in Homestead heard tones. ... I am going to push some serious magnetic fields. We too are listening! --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Room3327

Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #72 on: 2011-01-07, 17:30:24 »

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GK,
Your really getting into this, sounds like a great setup! Are you wiring the two phase coils in series for 6 ohms or in parallel for 1.5 ohms. Remember the coils have to be set up in pairs for rotation, one pair per phase. So I assume you will have 6 phases then. I would probably just start off with one phase pair and make sure you are actually getting rotation with your hookup before moving on to multiple phases. Good luck.

Room

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giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #73 on: 2011-01-08, 01:48:19 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I have spent 5 years studying squares and sines in this new view. And it is nothing I ever learned in school. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

giantkiller	Re: Space: The final frontier « Reply #74 on: 2011-01-09, 22:49:34 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	On order are 2 dual channel audio amplifiers. Have programmable sines and phasing done on the DDS board. Have tested the AVR and DDS board through a single channel TDA2003 board and it works fine. I have yet to configure the GK4 for a 2 phase setup. That is next. Have measured all twelve 30awg quadrants for ohmage and inductance. Going to measure natural resonance next. http://web.archive.org/web/20110109224630/http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1872.msg21431#msg21431 ------------------------ Space: The final frontier TPU4-0201-naked.jpg (56 kB, 640x480 - viewed 516 times.) Space: The final frontier TPU4-0203-consolidated.jpg (53.45 kB, 640x480 - viewed 509 times.) --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/