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Fung Wheel « on: 2016-06-04, 22:00:37 »
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http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg485521/#msg485521

The waveform shows the long sought after lead-out energy...
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #1 on: 2016-06-04, 22:07:24 »
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Quote from: ltseung888 on 2016-06-04, 22:00:37
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg485521/#msg485521

The waveform shows the long sought after lead-out energy...

Note that the negative energy was only 1ms.
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #2 on: 2016-06-13, 02:48:15 »
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Forever and Family will help in the development of the Fung Wheel...
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #3 on: 2016-06-14, 21:12:07 »
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http://www.hoptoads.5gbfree.com/

Some information on the Adams Pulse Motor useful for understanding.

The focus there is low voltage and current (1.5V 100mA range).  We use current up to 10A. 12V
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #4 on: 2016-06-18, 20:29:17 »
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Mass Email to Advertising Agencies in Hong got 3 responses.

First to come was Basecreate.

Their comments include:

1.  The technology is extremely simple to understand.
2.  UFOs are real.
3.  The demonstration set up was too primitive.
4.  Need a large budget for promotion. 
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #5 on: 2016-06-20, 06:28:39 »
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The Chow family from USA.  All can pulse rotate the Fung Wheel 10 times or more.

They are used to computer games...
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #6 on: 2016-06-20, 21:12:46 »
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The significance of the Fung Wheel is that it pointed out:

1.  Not every pulse in a pulse wheel is good. 
2.  Use of DSO to examine every pulse is important.
3.  The Negative voltage BEMF with positive current can produce Negative energy.
4.  A 5V Input can produce a BEMF of over -580V.  The Negative Energy Source is the Lead-out Energy.
5.  Every pulse wheel should have its pulse waveform examined if it claims overunity.
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #7 on: 2016-06-24, 15:25:27 »
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Why is the UFO technology top military secret?

1.  Since it does not eject any hot gases, it is difficult to detect.
2.  It can move in erratic paths, hitting it is difficult.
3.  It does not carry fuel, It can fly low to avoid radar detection.
4.  When programmed to hit land targets such as cities, it can overwhelm most star war defenses. 
5.  It can fly to outer space if needed.
6.  There is no need for humans or pilots.
7.  The range is virtual infinite.
8.  It can dive into the ocean.
9.  It can stay in the air forever.
10.  It can be disguised and carried on any ship.
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #8 on: 2016-06-25, 00:59:16 »
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Back EMF

Most of the electrical engineering literature described back emf as a voltage that will reduce the current.  That is beneficial as a running motor needs less current than starting.

None that I know displayed the high negative voltage waveform and the positive current that accompanied it.  Is there a lack of understanding in this area?  Can the waveform represent negative energy and can it act as evidence to the existence of Lead-out Energy???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xLwBaub4lc&list=UUp3mD3EJromKns3YpglKdpA

A Chinese scientist explaining physics - perpetual motion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t494BwaSK4
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #9 on: 2016-06-29, 16:27:45 »
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The Fung wheel is the beginning of the design of the ninth version of the Flying Saucer.

The diagram is reproduced here.

The details are in the overunity.com "ufo propu" thread starting in reply 1.

What is so special about the Fung Wheel is that it is a combination of the following concepts.

1.  Leading out of gravitational energy.
2.  Leading out of electromagnetic energy.
3.  Unbalanced Wheel replacing the pendulum.
4.  Net thrust produced via the difference in Centrifugal Forces.
5.  The capturing of the Negative Voltage waveform on the leading edge of the pulse.

I shall explain each in more detail..

1.  Leading out of gravitational energy.
The Milkovic 2SO showed that the seesaw action is created by the centrifugal force of the pendulum.  When the pendulum is at the lowest position, its velocity is highest.  That gives rise to the highest centrifugal force.  The Rhead video 5 clearly showed that the weight on the LHS was lifted at the moment of the lowest position of the pendulum.  The lifting of the weight did not significantly lower the amplitude of the pendulum.  Where does the energy come from?  My interpretation is that it comes from gravity.  The Fung Wheel gave us confirmation.

When we measure the waveforms of the Fung Wheel in the Vertical and in the Horizontal positions, we found that the Vertical position gave about one-third more.  In the vertical position, the Fung Wheel essentially replaced the pendulum action with that of the rotation of an unbalanced wheel.

2.  Leading out of electromagnetic energy. 
We know that ferrite material can be thought of as consisting of many tiny magnets arranged at random.  When DC Current is passed to magnetize it, these tiny magnets align to become a large magnet.  The question is that whether the electrical energy used to magnetize the ferrite material E1 can be smaller than the resulting magnetic energy E2.  The first experiment we did was straight line coil and magnet repulsion.  At Hong Kong University, one experiment was tried.  One 130 turn coil was used to repel one circular magnet.  The electrical Energy Input was measured on a DSO.  The output Energy was taken to be the potential energy of the resultant jump (mgh).  The result was a disappointing COP of 0.06 or 6%. The researcher gave up!

We took the equipment back from Hong Kong University.  The number of turns was increased to 600.  The number of magnets were increase to 4.  The COP increased to 0.3 or 30%.  The Input Pulse was carefully examined.  The duration of the Pulse is actually dependent on how long the researcher pressed the button.  It could vary from 100ms to many seconds (if the researcher did not release the button).  The COP=0.3 was obtained with the Pulse Time of around 200ms.

The question of whether we could reduce the Pulse Time was raised.  If we could have a short pulse of 50ms, we might get COP greater than 1.  In playing with rapid pulses, we observed a sudden high negative voltage.  Initially, some remarked that it was just the normal BEMF as the duration was only 1-2ms.  But the current was positive while the voltage was negative.  That gave rise to negative power.  During those 1-2ms, we have negative energy.

I immediately took that as representing lead-out energy.  Mr. Bill Fung decided to build the circular Fung Wheel.  To our delight, we could observe very high negative voltage.  A 5 V DC Input can give a -580 V waveform. 

If the negative energy is indeed the lead-out energy, the 225 HP Pulse Motor developed in USA but funded by Hong Kong may be a reality.  (That device is considered top military secret in both USA and China after Lee Cheung Kin and I explained its operation at Tsinghua University in 2006.)

3.  Unbalanced Wheel replacing the pendulum
If the Milkovic 2SO can lead-out gravitational energy, a magnetic pendulum must be able to lead-out or bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  All we need is to replace the pendulum bob with a magnetic bob and place permanent magnets in appropriate places.  Gravitational forces are everywhere including outer space.  It will still be there if the object is cooled down to absolute zero degrees.  Some people call this zero point energy.

The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier used three unbalanced cylinders.  A cylinder can be considered as many wheels put together side-by-side.  Thus the fact that it can have COP of 30 is no surprise.

4.  Net thrust produced via the difference in Centrifugal Forces.
Some Christians told me that the principle was shown in the Bible.  King David killed the Giant Goliath with the sling.  We realized that this might be the reason for the top military secret.  A man-made UFO is possible.  Two months after our Tsinghua presentation, an UFO appeared over Nanjing...

5.  The capturing of the Negative Voltage waveform on the leading edge of the pulse.
We now have the Fung Wheel in Hong Kong clearly showing the large  negative voltage at the Leading Edge of the good pulses.  Some pulses even have the large negative voltage at both trailing and leading edges.  Most pulse motor researcher did not realize the importance of this negative voltage.  (A bad pulse can indeed rotate the wheel back!)  Manually built pulse wheels could easily have mixture of good pulses and bad pulses.  We now understand why the Tong Wheel was so difficult to tune...
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #10 on: 2016-06-30, 07:46:26 »
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The vertical coil and magnet repulsion experiment was repeated on Jun 30.  The focus was on the large negative voltage produced at the leading edge.

This experiment is simple and reproducible. 

It was first done in Jan 2016.  Negative energy shows itself even in the straight line repulsion case.

The phenomenon could be repeated after the magnet fell back which took a few seconds.  Mr. Bill Fung decided to check whether the phenomenon could be repeated in the circular motion case.  The result was even better...

I regard the negative energy shown on the DSO as lead-out energy.

Attached also is the planned presentation on July 4,
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #11 on: 2016-06-30, 16:54:38 »
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Circuit diagram for the Fung Wheel
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #12 on: 2016-07-02, 06:39:00 »
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Circular repulsion via the Fung Wheel.

We learnt much from the manual pulsing of the Fung Wheel.

1.  The DC Power supply was set at 5V.  Higher setting did not necessarily lead to higher negative voltage.
2.  The timing of pressing the switch was very important.  It needed good co-ordination of eye and hand.  Lawrence Tseung got average of 3 consecutive rotations and the very best was 11.
3.  Most senior citizens (65 or over) could not get over 10 no matter how many times they tried.
4.  Most youngsters could get over 10 after a couple of tries.
5.  After success at over 10 revolutions, the focus was on getting the largest negative voltage as seen on the DSO.  One more criterion was the smallest pulse duration.

This is being developed into a competition.
1.  The general public will compete for the largest negative voltage with the existing Fung Wheel.
2.  The Students, Technicians and Engineers will compete on building a new Fung Wheel that has the highest COP.

It is unlikely that the contestants can beat the USA or Chinese Military Teams but the knowledge gained will benefit all...
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #13 on: 2016-07-06, 22:20:54 »

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Quote from: ltseung888 on 2016-06-30, 16:54:38
Circuit diagram for the Fung Wheel

Basic Electronic Pulse Motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zcrhe85dUU

Is the Fung Wheel fundamentally similar to the basic pulse motor shown by Lidmotor ?


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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #14 on: 2016-07-07, 00:47:17 »
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Quote from: evolvingape on 2016-07-06, 22:20:54
Basic Electronic Pulse Motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zcrhe85dUU

Is the Fung Wheel fundamentally similar to the basic pulse motor shown by Lidmotor ?

No.  The Fung Wheel is designed to check out the ninth design of the lead-out energy flying saucer.

1.  It uses an unbalanced wheel.  That is an improvement over the pendulum.  If gravitational energy can be led-out or brought-in via the Milkovic 2SO, the unbalanced wheel will be more efficient. 

2.  The focus is to examine, via the oscilloscope, when and where the leading-out or bringing-in of energy occurs.

3.  Later, check out the production of the Net Thrust via the unequal centrifugal forces.

The results so far -- captured a very high Negative Voltage across the coil while the current is still positive.  A 5V DC power supply can produce a short pulse of -580V.  The negative power and energy cannot come from the DC power supply.  Some casual observers just attribute it to BEMF and ignore the waveforms.

We are working on it and try to understand more.  There is much more to understand...  One encouraging experiment is that the Fung wheel, when placed horizontally, produced a less negative voltage spike.  That may indicate the presence of lead-out gravitational energy via the unbalanced wheel.

Chinese military engineers produced the Nanjing UFO in 2 months after Lee and I presented the Lead-out energy theory at Tsinghua University in 2006.

My goal is for a developing nation to develop and demonstrate an UFO so that USA and China will release their much more advanced ufo technology to benefit the World.  I hope to accomplish it before going to my grave.
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #15 on: 2016-07-07, 22:58:29 »
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The next step in the development of the Fung Wheel.

1.  Add an optical sensor device on a guide wheel. 
2.  The guide wheel will be on same axle and thus rotate at the same speed as the main wheel.
3.  The optical sensor device will determine when to start the DC current to pulse rotate the wheel.  The stopping of DC current is automatic at this stage.
4.  A relay switch will be needed as the current is expected to be in Amps.

Thus the Fung Wheel will not need hand pulsing.  It will, however, still be started via a hand rotation.  The wheel is expected to pick up speed as it will gain energy every time pulsed.  Equilibrium will be reached via friction or the use of collectors coils.

Every step will be guided by the DSO.  A New Wheel with higher engineering precision will be needed.

*** The USA and Chinese Military Engineers will probably laugh at us but they are not allowed to say anything...
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #16 on: 2016-07-08, 00:27:53 »

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Quote from: ltseung888 on 2016-07-07, 22:58:29
Thus the Fund Wheel will not need hand pulsing.

A Freudian slip ? or a typo ?  ;D

Quote from: ltseung888 on 2016-07-07, 22:58:29
The wheel is expected to pick up speed as it will gain energy every time pulsed.  Equilibrium will be reached via friction or the use of collectors coils.

You are making predictions about what behaviour you expect to observe from your device, and also considering the tendency for an energy differential to seek equilibrium. Good stuff  O0

Could you clarify why you consider the Fung Wheel to not be an electromagnetically pulsed rotor ?


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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #17 on: 2016-07-08, 23:16:50 »
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A Freudian slip ? or a typo ?  ;D

You are making predictions about what behaviour you expect to observe from your device, and also considering the tendency for an energy differential to seek equilibrium. Good stuff  O0

Could you clarify why you consider the Fung Wheel to not be an electromagnetically pulsed rotor ?

Fung Wheel is not a normal electromagnetic pulse system because of the following:

1.  It is a pulsed system in that pulsed DC current is used as Input.
2.  It is not normal because it is built to be unbalanced to bring-in gravitational energy.
3.  It will have unequal speed rotation.
4.  There will be Net Thrust and probably unbalanced torque.  A counter-rotating wheel is likely to be needed to compensate.
5.  The Leading-out or bringing-in of energy will be checked at every stage via the DSO. Each pulse will be examined.
6.  Tuning is likely to be needed.  The pulse rate or rotational speed and the load will be "balanced or resonated"...

Such steps and better are likely performed long ago by the USA ad Chinese Military Engineers.  Their UFOs are flying...
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #18 on: 2016-07-09, 14:31:56 »

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We agree the Fung Wheel is a DC pulsed rotor. It would be confusing to claim it is not, when it obviously is.

The unbalanced rotor is designed to 'bring-in' gravitational energy.. ok.. it will show up at the output then, if it is not so insignificant as to be masked by the system energy loss per cycle.

The DSO negative waveform is therefore a tuning tool and not an indicator of energy entering the isolated system, from a higher potential external system.

All you need to do then Lawrence is tune your wheel, give it one almighty push.. and watch the 'bringing-in' process create a COP>1 event..

A perpetual motion machine..!

Is there a perpetual motion Fung Wheel spinning away in your room Lawrence ? Or did they all stop.. eventually..  O0


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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #19 on: 2016-07-09, 15:07:37 »
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Quote from: evolvingape on 2016-07-09, 14:31:56
We agree the Fung Wheel is a DC pulsed rotor. It would be confusing to claim it is not, when it obviously is.

The unbalanced rotor is designed to 'bring-in' gravitational energy.. ok.. it will show up at the output then, if it is not so insignificant as to be masked by the system energy loss per cycle.

The DSO negative waveform is therefore a tuning tool and not an indicator of energy entering the isolated system, from a higher potential external system.

All you need to do then Lawrence is tune your wheel, give it one almighty push.. and watch the 'bringing-in' process create a COP>1 event..

A perpetual motion machine..!

Is there a perpetual motion Fung Wheel spinning away in your room Lawrence ? Or did they all stop.. eventually..  O0

The 225 HP Pulse Motor developed in USA and funded by Hong Kong Investors was known in 2006 and became top secret in both USA and China.  It was not in my room but in the tanks, submarines etc. of the USA and Chinese Military...

I was stupid enough to believe that I could reproduce a prototype with my limited resources in 2006.

The likely outcome is for a Third Nation to demonstrate the UFO technology and force USA and China to reveal their much more developed technology to benefit the World.
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #20 on: 2016-07-09, 15:23:44 »
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Quote from: evolvingape on 2016-07-09, 14:31:56


The DSO negative waveform is therefore a tuning tool and not an indicator of energy entering the isolated system, from a higher potential external system.



I believe that you must have read the argument that theoretically, there are NO isolated systems.  Any point in our universe will have gravitational and electromagnetic fields.  Any container used to isolate any system will introduce forces and black body radiations to disturb the energies of the "isolated" system...

Lee Cheung Kin was brilliant in telling us that gravitational energy could be led-out or brought-in...

The Negative Waveform (and follow-up calculations) is actually an INDICATOR of lead-out energy.  It is not just a tuning tool.
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #21 on: 2016-07-09, 15:33:45 »
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Quote from: evolvingape on 2016-07-09, 14:31:56

The unbalanced rotor is designed to 'bring-in' gravitational energy.. ok.. it will show up at the output then, if it is not so insignificant as to be masked by the system energy loss per cycle.


The unbalanced Fung wheel showed one third more Negative Voltage in the vertical position compared with the horizontal.

That is already an INDICATION of lead-out gravitational energy...
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #22 on: 2016-07-09, 16:15:34 »

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Lawrence, I am struggling to know where to begin,

It is difficult to engage you in debate without being perceived by the audience as 'picking on you'.. Work with me  O0

Quote from: ltseung888 on 2016-07-09, 15:07:37
The 225 HP Pulse Motor developed in USA and funded by Hong Kong Investors was known in 2006

This has nothing to do with the Fung Wheel, please focus on your device.

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I believe that you must have read the argument that theoretically, there are NO isolated systems.  Any point in our universe will have gravitational and electromagnetic fields.  Any container used to isolate any system will introduce forces and black body radiations to disturb the energies of the "isolated" system...

Lee Cheung Kin was brilliant in telling us that gravitational energy could be led-out or brought-in...

The Negative Waveform (and follow-up calculations) is actually an INDICATOR of lead-out energy.  It is not just a tuning tool.

Any point in the universe that is absent gravitational or electromagnetic fields will not therefore be influenced, proving your position false. What you should be talking about is 4D space potential.

'The Negative Waveform' as you term it is a MEASUREMENT, yes.. but it does not indicate 'lead-out energy'.. it indicates an observable change in the system variables.

Quote from: ltseung888 on 2016-07-09, 15:33:45
The unbalanced Fung wheel showed one third more Negative Voltage in the vertical position compared with the horizontal.

That is already an INDICATION of lead-out gravitational energy...

See previous answer.. and stop wasting my time..

The Fung Wheel.. get on with it   C.C


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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #23 on: 2016-07-15, 20:08:16 »
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Quote from: evolvingape on 2016-07-09, 16:15:34
Lawrence, I am struggling to know where to begin,


I found your following posting:

Quote from: evolvingape on 2015-05-31, 01:33:00

COEFFICIENT OF PERFORMANCE (COP)
Again we must examine this parameter in the context of open and closed
systems.

In a closed system, the COP will be equal to the efficiency in a sense, but is
expressed as a ratio as follows: 1:1 (η=100%), 0.8:1 (η=80%), etc. So one
should conclude from the discussion so far, that the COP in a closed system will
never be higher than 1:1.

In an open system, the COP could be anywhere from 0.1:1 to 106:1. It all
depends on the efficiency of the device (with low COP’s), and how much energy
or power is freely added to the system from the “outside” with a given input
power.

COP in open systems is computed by taking the ratio between the freely added
“outside” power (POopen), PLUS the output power (if any) supplied by the closed
system (POclosed), to the user-supplied input power (PI).
In equation form:

COP = (POopen + POclosed)/PI   OR  = POtotal/PI

Do we care if we are measuring collected open-system power PLUS closed system
power on the output? No. What we care about is obtaining more total
power on the output of the DUT, than we are supplying for device operation.

OVERUNITY
As already discussed, overunity is not possible in closed systems, and therefore
can only exist in open systems. Overunity then is achieved any time a device or
system exhibits a COP>1.

***** I like your linking COP with Open and Close systems.  I side with some Zero Point Energy Researchers.  There are no practical closed systems.  We are immersed in Gravitational fields.  We are bombarded with all types of electromagnetic waves.  Trying to close any system with any real container will introduce gravitational attractions and black body radiations etc.

The Fung Wheel is not a closed system.  It tries to bring-in both gravitational and electromagnetic energies.  The results so far showed that we could bring-in two units of electromagnetic energy and 1 unit of gravitational energy.  The suggestion is that we could bring-in much more electromagnetic energy.  One such device is the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

*****  So begin with - Fung Wheel is not a closed system...  Milkovic 2SO is not a closed system...
   
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Re: Fung Wheel « Reply #24 on: 2016-07-25, 05:05:09 »
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See the waveforms.

http://www.energeticforum.com/290659-post69.html

Go to the above link for more discussions.
   
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