TK,
I do not know what videos you did look at? And I do not know if you did read all the posts over at over unity dot com,
but here is what I did see:
Tinman did ASK for help to measure his circuit. He got help from MarkE and Picowatt.
He did measurement according to what they told him.
He did show approx. 9 Watt into the circuit and approx. 18 Watt out of the circuit.
His o-scope measurement did agree with his DVM measurement within a 5% error margin.
He also did filter the input and output with electrolytic capacitors and small ceramic capacitors.
He did show on the o-scope that there was no large noise spikes on the input. (Down in the mW range.)
He did show by using a LUX meter that the output currents and voltages was almost the same from
the circuit as when he did use a power supply for the same light in the bulb, thus proving the output
from the circuit was real.
MarkE confirmed that Tinmans measurement was solid and correct. Then there was talk about trying
to self loop the circuit, and then the shit hit the fan, and everything went shitty.
All in all, Tinman posted 3 measurements videos on YouTube. All three videos was deleted.
I see that Picowatt is a member of this forum now, maybe he can confirm what I'm
posting here to be correct or not?
GL.
Picowatt doesn't need to, I can confirm that all you say is correct, as far as I can tell. I was following along all the while, and last night I went back over the past 30 or so pages of that thread (my goodness that EMJ fellow sure is distracting and irrelevant), and I also remember the three videos very clearly, as if it were only yesterday that I watched them. And I know just where my "daisy chain" suggestion fits into the timeline, too.
None of that negates what I have said in my post. Errors in measurement and interpretation can still slip through this remote-control vetting process.
For example, as I recall, when TinMan was trying to use the PSU to send DC through the load bulb to obtain the same brightness and power, his PSU was in _current limiting_ mode, as indicated by his narration and also by the red light on the unit itself. He never did wind up with the exact settings as happened during the experimental demonstration itself, according to my notes. Those values were, again, according to my notes, IN 12.44V@0.744A = 9.255W and OUT 9.37V@1.583A = 14.833W. This is pretty darn impressive, and the error of the "control" with PSU in current-limiting mode would only be less than a Watt, so it's still an impressive result.
So, by the Daisy-Chain method, one should be able to run another identical unit on the output of the first one, with power left over, and then a third off the power output of the second, etc. Daisy-chain several units together and take the combined mechanical power from the motor shafts and use it to turn a separate generator, which would easily provide the power to run the first unit in the chain! Why isn't TinMan being a hero, risking everything to bring such a simple device to the public? Release the complete plans all over the internet, and thumb noses at the PTB and the MiBs !!!
Or... perhaps the units cannot be daisy-chained at all, and then the conclusion that the measurements are in error is inescapable, no matter how many EEs agree that, to the best of their knowledge the measurements were correctly performed.
If a device puts out plain old DC at higher power than is being input as plain old DC... what conceivable reason could there possibly be that would prevent them from being daisy-chained? I can understand how the circuitry might not permit one device looping back to itself, but what is there to prevent daisy-chaining, except _lack of sufficient real power_ in the first place?
Heck, send me the parts and instructions to build three identical units and I'll do it myself. I ain't afraid of no MIBs.
ETA: The lower voltage of the output can be easily handled by using an efficient DC-DC converter, or even by putting the outputs of two identical units _in series_ .
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