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Centraflow	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #25 on: 2015-04-13, 17:55:53 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	For Ref: the following can be used for co-deposition in electrolytic cells. It is interesting what Chet posted about the Navy and LENR research, I think all this is part and parcel of the same pot, I have had the high heat but not a melt down yet as I have never run the SMD system long enough, that just might be the next thing to do. Read all of that article, things start to make more sence The metals used as matrices for electrolytic co-deposition: Nickel (Ni) Copper (Cu) Silver (Ag) Chromium (Cr) Cobalt (Co) Iron (Fe) Lead (Pb) alloys Aluminum (Al) Gold (Au) Zinc (Zn) The following substances are used as the second phase particles: Aluminum oxide (Al2O3) Carbide ceramics\|Silicon carbide (SiC) Tungsten carbide (WC) Diamond (C) Silicon oxide (SiO2) Graphite (C) Thermoplastic Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) Molybdenum disulphide Boron nitride (BN) regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Slider2732	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #26 on: 2015-04-13, 18:11:18 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1399 ... .-.. .. -.. . .-.	@Mike - How interesting about the oxidation process. Link that with electrically charged static deposition on the electrode surface and do we get graphene oxide ? There are a bunch of ways of making graphene (see Robert Murray-Smith vids on YouTube) and I do wonder. The twice treated structure of TinMans is showing great promise and getting stronger...! @Farmhand. Great info. The 27MHz system works, i'll always stand by that method. Yield is greater, pests don't bother the plants and weeding is a thing of the past. Grab a 27Mhz R/C transmitter from a toy car. Put it in a gallon of rain water for 15 seconds, water the plants. Repeat daily (don't need to use full gallon each time of course). Chet may also say to name the plants and talk to them about life the universe and everything...but I think that's just how I grow my plants ! Ok Mr 'its on' guy...lol, have got something to show and am uploading it now. Have just set up a PC in the livingroom and the vid output seems wonky, but hopefully will balance out over at YouTube. Anyway, ever seen a cell rise in voltage and current when loaded ? Current of 45mA too. Update, vid: (2min 23sec) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_sunUvPMTk --------------------------- ʎɐqǝ from pɹɐoqʎǝʞ a ʎnq ɹǝʌǝu

Centraflow	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #27 on: 2015-04-13, 18:51:39 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Slider2732 on 2015-04-13, 18:11:18 @Mike - How interesting about the oxidation process. Link that with electrically charged static deposition on the electrode surface and do we get graphene oxide ? There are a bunch of ways of making graphene (see Robert Murray-Smith vids on YouTube) and I do wonder. The twice treated structure of TinMans is showing great promise and getting stronger...! Yes I know Robert. Graphene will only be created if there was carbon to start with in some form or other, in my case it was the CO2 added and absorbed into the electrolyte. If there is no carbon, oxides will still form of what ever metal the oxygen comes into contact with and can react. In an electrolytic cell that oxygen is O and not O2, it is very reactive looking at electron exchange. Looking at your video I noticed you used Boron, look at the second phase non metalic elements I have posted, along with the metal electrodes (copper and zinc) in co-deposition. I did not note what else you used, just that the Boron stuck out infront of me regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Slider2732	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #28 on: 2015-04-13, 19:52:10 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1399 ... .-.. .. -.. . .-.	A tongue in cheek message was put in the description box for the vid..because of UFO's allegedly stealing Boron from the Earth Goes well with the space rock that TinMan has haha Can only imagine that the aliens are looking to create softer laundry. Starched and cardboard like underwear are no good for 8 light year space journeys. It would also explain why they seem to always be nekkid when seen...their clothes are not comfortable. Here's a link, to buckyballs of boron that indicate similarity to carbon: http://lurch2.blogspot.com/2014/07/boron-buckyball-discovered.html Will be making 2 more of these. In 1 will be aluminium and graphite electrodes (Stanford Uni have just created a battery that charges in 1 minute based on aluminium: http://www.wskg.org/pbs/battery-could-charge-your-phone-one-minute-ask-stanford ) and the other will have BBQ charcoal and a carbon rod. « Last Edit: 2015-04-13, 20:21:55 by Slider2732 » --------------------------- ʎɐqǝ from pɹɐoqʎǝʞ a ʎnq ɹǝʌǝu

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #29 on: 2015-04-14, 03:56:53 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Slider2732 on 2015-04-13, 18:11:18 Ok Mr 'its on' guy...lol, have got something to show and am uploading it now. Have just set up a PC in the livingroom and the vid output seems wonky, but hopefully will balance out over at YouTube. Quote Anyway, ever seen a cell rise in voltage and current when loaded ? Current of 45mA too. Update, vid: (2min 23sec) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_sunUvPMTk Indeed-just built one last night lol. But cant show you that one until you see the next video You can now get rid of all those bad chemicals -->all you will need is some fish and chip enhancement juice Video up in a couple of hours-very slow today. For those that think this is a galvanic process-->i has just successfully used stainless steel and copper to get the same effect There is something in the liquid that is giving us this effect. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #30 on: 2015-04-14, 05:59:02 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Due to the last design i made that used a water cell that did not destroy the galv plate being !!borrowed!! by a certain some one,and used to make some money from,i am keeping the !how to! video unlisted. Those here that would like to see how i process these cell's can email me,and i will forward the link to them-->on the understanding that it is kept with you for the time being. I have forwarded the video to Mark(slider),and have asked him to replicate it,and post his result's<-- i forgot to put that bit in the email Mark. If you could take the time to try this method out Mark,and post a video of your finding's,that would be great. I don't mind you posting a public video,as long as you don't mention the liquid being used just yet<--need to keep this away from tech thieves for a while lol. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #31 on: 2015-04-14, 12:11:21 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	So after much testing of the cells,i have started the build on the pendulum . I have 3 new cells made,and most of the frame work is done__>no laughing at my wood work,as I'm a metal man Found an old coil i made some time ago for another project-cant remember what it was lol. Anyway,it has 3.2 ohms across the primary,and 4.7 ohms across the secondary-->spot on for a system 6 volts and under.This one will only be using 3 cells in series,so should be around a 2.7 volt supply to the coil. So that gives us a maximum current across the coil of 843mA each pulse-->should be low enough for the cells to keep up,but we wont be driving it that hard i wouldn't think lol. ------------------------ TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. Pendulum build p1.JPG (153.32 kB, 1306x980 - viewed 997 times.) --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Centraflow	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #32 on: 2015-04-14, 21:40:41 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	I think your woodwork is great, much better than mine regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Chet K	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #33 on: 2015-04-14, 22:06:06 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Mike I was thinking the same thing

TinselKoala	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #34 on: 2015-04-14, 22:12:12 »
Group: Guest	Great minds think alike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkdSGxd3dt8

Centraflow	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #35 on: 2015-04-21, 12:01:14 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Hi Brad You might try liquid ammonia and acetic acid "white vinegar" as like in sodium acetate, this is ammonium acetate. It has a very high ion concentration and can make great electrolytic capacitors, also depending on the electrodes can become what I would call a battery cap of high power density. Off the shelf, in kitchen, products that cost next to nothing regards Mike PS Heat it up slowly to make it more concentrated, but still keep it liquid. Best done in a pressure cooker and let it cool slowly and naturally, the results are outstanding --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Slider2732	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #36 on: 2015-04-21, 20:30:16 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1399 ... .-.. .. -.. . .-.	Pretty fine woodworking there TinMan....it's missing the wood glue runs, the nails sticking out and the sharp wood splinters ! Win That's half the fun Mike indeed, costs nothing if the stuff is there anyway. Here's a pic of your Ammonia/Vinegar solution on test here. Originally, I had 2x carbon pieces in there, BBQ charcoal and the rod from a dead AA battery. It would charge with a 3V coin cell but tailed off on the blocking oscillator within a couple of minutes. So, I ditched the BBQ piece and used aluminium for the negative...no conditioning, fired right up. Flash rate is ~5Hz, easy enough to capture on the camera. Galv steel would work better, but aluminium is always something a little more challenging to use successfully. Any mix which can output to such a low power load (0.5V 10uA) without a charge or conditioning being applied will run forever...if non reactive electrodes are used. I like carbon/carbon, but am looking forward to seeing what the aluminium does. If the sacrificial end with this mixture is the positive, then it will similarly run on and on. ------------------------ TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. IMAG0180.JPG (338.71 kB, 1024x768 - viewed 825 times.) --------------------------- ʎɐqǝ from pɹɐoqʎǝʞ a ʎnq ɹǝʌǝu

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #37 on: 2015-04-22, 01:43:57 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Centraflow on 2015-04-21, 12:01:14 Hi Brad You might try liquid ammonia and acetic acid "white vinegar" as like in sodium acetate, this is ammonium acetate. It has a very high ion concentration and can make great electrolytic capacitors, also depending on the electrodes can become what I would call a battery cap of high power density. Off the shelf, in kitchen, products that cost next to nothing regards Mike PS Heat it up slowly to make it more concentrated, but still keep it liquid. Best done in a pressure cooker and let it cool slowly and naturally, the results are outstanding You are spot on Mike,as i am indeed using white vinegar,and only white vinegar. Being able to recharge the cells,and have that dark grey coating build up on them just go's to show that the zinc is no longer being consumed --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #38 on: 2015-04-25, 06:50:05 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Well i have the pendulum motor up and running,but not on the liquid cells yet,as i need to get some more zinc plate. but it is interesting how almost completely dead batteries can seem to have quite a bit of energy left in them. they seem to jump to life once current is drawn from them. next we will be looking at a true energy multiplier,that draws energy in from the environment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrjCRU0_F_8 --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #39 on: 2015-04-25, 08:24:35 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Is the venturi really an energy amplifying device? Here in this test,the air flow is regulated at 5psi,and flow restricted by the 1.6mm jet. The extra force produced to spin the generator faster to produce more power is coming only from the environment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDXKN4Mosw --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

PhysicsProf	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #40 on: 2015-04-25, 15:39:16 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Quote from: TinMan on 2015-04-25, 08:24:35 Is the venturi really an energy amplifying device? Here in this test,the air flow is regulated at 5psi,and flow restricted by the 1.6mm jet. The extra force produced to spin the generator faster to produce more power is coming only from the environment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDXKN4Mosw Interesting - nice little experiment, TinMan. No measurements yet of actual input ENERGY, which would be important at some stage of the analysis. Air is a fluid, and so is water. I wonder if a water-based venturi system might give an interesting result?

Farmhand	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #41 on: 2015-04-29, 08:20:36 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: TinMan on 2015-04-25, 08:24:35 Is the venturi really an energy amplifying device? Here in this test,the air flow is regulated at 5psi,and flow restricted by the 1.6mm jet. The extra force produced to spin the generator faster to produce more power is coming only from the environment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDXKN4Mosw I don't want to be picky Tinman but air flow is described in liters per minute ect. Air pressure is in psi. Pressure and flow are very different and the flow might be calculated by considering the air temperature, pressure and the orifice size (size of hole). Or better still a calibrated flow meter can be used. As a boilermaker the main consideration with the use of welding gasses and such is flow rate, the gas fittings for a mig welder should include a flow meter to monitor the flow rate and a pressure meter to monitor the pressure in the gas cylinder (how much is left). I think you just made a word typo. I just thought I would clarify that. .. The amount of air flowing out the nozzle is a volume per time period value. eg, liters per minute. In the case of temperature the flow rate out of the nozzle is unrelated except for the temperature of the stored gas compared to ambient temp. And if the gas temp rises between tank and nozzle, before leaving the nozzle. Is what I think. Very difficult to quantify I think. Easy to measure flow rate, take a bag or such of a certain volume when full and fill it in so many seconds then calculate to the amount of air flow per minute.

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #42 on: 2015-04-29, 13:26:56 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Farmhand on 2015-04-29, 08:20:36 I don't want to be picky Tinman but air flow is described in liters per minute ect. Air pressure is in psi. Pressure and flow are very different and the flow might be calculated by considering the air temperature, pressure and the orifice size (size of hole). Or better still a calibrated flow meter can be used. As a boilermaker the main consideration with the use of welding gasses and such is flow rate, the gas fittings for a mig welder should include a flow meter to monitor the flow rate and a pressure meter to monitor the pressure in the gas cylinder (how much is left). I think you just made a word typo. I just thought I would clarify that. .. The amount of air flowing out the nozzle is a volume per time period value. eg, liters per minute. In the case of temperature the flow rate out of the nozzle is unrelated except for the temperature of the stored gas compared to ambient temp. And if the gas temp rises between tank and nozzle, before leaving the nozzle. Is what I think. Very difficult to quantify I think. Easy to measure flow rate, take a bag or such of a certain volume when full and fill it in so many seconds then calculate to the amount of air flow per minute. One flaw in your logic farmhand. In order for the fan to do more work,and the pressure being regulated to 10psi,then the only way to increase the work output is by increasing the flow rate or amount of gas imparting a force upon the fan blades. The flow rate from the compressor is set,in that X amount of gas can pass through a 1.6mm nozzle per minute while regulated to a pressure of 5psi. We know that the venturi is drawing in extra gas,so we know that the fan blade see's an increase of gas flow when the venturi is put into action. This is also confirmed by the fact that more work is being done when the venturi is open,because the flow rate from the compressor is a set volume. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Centraflow	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #43 on: 2015-04-29, 19:03:05 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2015-04-25, 15:39:16 Interesting - nice little experiment, TinMan. No measurements yet of actual input ENERGY, which would be important at some stage of the analysis. Air is a fluid, and so is water. I wonder if a water-based venturi system might give an interesting result? I used to design venturi water circulating systems for central heating and domestic hot water heating, all from solid fuel boilers without automatic control. regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Farmhand	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #44 on: 2015-04-30, 00:22:45 »
Group: Guest	So you can't measure the amount of air directed to the fan with and without the Venturi ? Or at least the input and output with and without the Venturi ? I was only pointing out that you made a word typo, anyway. You wrote the flow is set at 5psi, psi is a pressure value. I realize you may have meant to write the flow rate, or that you intended people to decipher that the flow rate is restricted by the pressure and the hole size. But some might be confused by it. Pressure in psi or kpa and flow rate in liters per minute or some other volume per time value. The only logic I offered was a way to actually measure the flow rate. People use that method to measure the flow rate of water or other fluids. ..

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #45 on: 2015-04-30, 02:33:51 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Farmhand on 2015-04-30, 00:22:45 So you can't measure the amount of air directed to the fan with and without the Venturi ? Or at least the input and output with and without the Venturi ? I was only pointing out that you made a word typo, anyway. You wrote the flow is set at 5psi, psi is a pressure value. I realize you may have meant to write the flow rate, or that you intended people to decipher that the flow rate is restricted by the pressure and the hole size. But some might be confused by it. Pressure in psi or kpa and flow rate in liters per minute or some other volume per time value. The only logic I offered was a way to actually measure the flow rate. People use that method to measure the flow rate of water or other fluids. .. Ah yes,i see what you mean. It should say gas flow pressure is regulated at 5psi,and flow rate is determond by that pressure and the 1.6mm nozzle. I will see if i can find my flow meter,and will run the test again with that in the delivery line. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #46 on: 2015-04-30, 06:18:00 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Re done the test with flow gauges on the delivery and on the venturi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fQkEp0iDGo --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Centraflow	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #47 on: 2015-04-30, 12:18:11 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Hi With the venturi open your volume of air goes up at a little cost to the pressure, the venturi inlet has no restriction unlike the pressure inlet. It is like voltage and current, your volume of air is the voltage and your pressure is the current (voltage goes up and your current goes down). The interesting thing is with air or another liquid, it seems to be not linear, so yes you can get more out in relation to no venturi, with the venturi your volume of air has increased far in excess of the pressure drop due to that venturi (more volume leaving the outlet the more the pressure drop but seems non linear). All interesting stuff, but can we really make use of it energy wise? regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

TinMan	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #48 on: 2015-04-30, 12:30:16 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Centraflow on 2015-04-30, 12:18:11 Hi With the venturi open your volume of air goes up at a little cost to the pressure, the venturi inlet has no restriction unlike the pressure inlet. It is like voltage and current, your volume of air is the voltage and your pressure is the current (voltage goes up and your current goes down). The interesting thing is with air or another liquid, it seems to be not linear, so yes you can get more out in relation to no venturi, with the venturi your volume of air has increased far in excess of the pressure drop due to that venturi (more volume leaving the outlet the more the pressure drop but seems non linear). All interesting stuff, but can we really make use of it energy wise? regards Mike We just did-didnt we?. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Centraflow	Re: TinMans reserch and experiments into free energy devices. « Reply #49 on: 2015-04-30, 16:59:12 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: TinMan on 2015-04-30, 12:30:16 We just did-didnt we?. Yeh, wrote that badly in a hurry Not sure you could scale it up enough to do any good. The problem would be when a good size load was put on the generator I think. You could play with the pressure but pressure costs input power, the volume has a limit in relation to the pressure and apperature of the venturi, not so easy, wish it was. regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

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