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Pulse motor build off time. « on: 2014-11-15, 07:22:37 »

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Well this year i wont be co hosting the PMBO,as I'm just to busy at work this time of year. But i will be putting an entry O0

So come on guy's-who's got the talent to put one together?.Poynt99,MattWatts,Tommy Reed,Slider-->anyone?

Here is the first video on my build-the Megga-G. Sorry guy's,but one of the smart drives had to be sacrificed lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT7DrGEWyWc



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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #1 on: 2014-11-15, 08:32:46 »
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Quote from: TinMan on 2014-11-15, 07:22:37
So come on guy's-who's got the talent to put one together?.Poynt99,MattWatts,Tommy Reed,Slider-->anyone?

Hehe!

If I have to put in an entry just to get Tom to do the same, it will be worth it.  I don't know how many times I heard Tom explain how stupid this is.

Stupid is as stupid does.

So come on Tom, make me look like a dork.  I don't care.  It will be fun.

AND...   Since Russ will be a judge, we won't have to compete against him with his 500,000 RPM spinning magnetic spheres and precision Rodin coils.
   
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #2 on: 2014-11-15, 11:24:08 »

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Yea-come on Tom-->what ya got :D

Here is the video by Russ. All links in the description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uyDQx3v1D4


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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #3 on: 2014-11-15, 12:21:36 »
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Hi TinMan,

OK, I'm in.....


Better get the the tin man hat on, because I'm not new in building pulse motors >:-)

I already have a design that will blow most of your minds and also be very efficient, I will take my time just to be fair even if I can build it in a day O0

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #4 on: 2014-11-15, 16:09:19 »

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Quote from: Tommey Reed on 2014-11-15, 12:21:36
Hi TinMan,

OK, I'm in.....


Better get the the tin man hat on, because I'm not new in building pulse motors >:-)

I already have a design that will blow most of your minds and also be very efficient, I will take my time just to be fair even if I can build it in a day O0

Tom



OOOOOOH -It's on :P

Built a couple my self O0. lets see how yours will stack up against the Megga-G.

Brad
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #5 on: 2014-11-15, 16:31:43 »
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I'm not sure which way to go, on one hand I could use the magnetic bearing test bed shown and that one inch steel shaft takes a few hours or more to spin down from 1000 RPM to a complete stop. It's rock solid on all axis and as far as efficiency is concerned it's almost impossible to beat.
On the other hand we have the goliath, a switched reluctance wound armature motor/generator able to handle 300+ amp pulses with integrated energy recovery. It has yet to meet my expectations however I haven't worked on it in quite a while, maybe it is time.
It might be good thing to do a little show and tell between the members here. I'm not sure I would ever enter a competition but getting a little input is always a good thing.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #6 on: 2014-11-15, 19:22:55 »
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It might be good thing to do a little show and tell between the members here. I'm not sure I would ever enter a competition but getting a little input is always a good thing.

Save it for your entry AC.  You have three minutes, to impress the world.  Piece of cake.
   
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #7 on: 2014-11-16, 03:19:10 »

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Quote from: Matt Watts on 2014-11-15, 19:22:55
Save it for your entry AC.  You have three minutes, to impress the world.  Piece of cake.
That'll never happen C.C


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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #8 on: 2014-11-16, 19:06:40 »
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That'll never happen

I believe you must have been reading my mind, lol.

You know I thought on it a while and spending a great deal of time and effort simply to impress other people I don't even know seems kind of absurd to me. I have been down that road before when I was younger and in the end I didn't feel I had really accomplished all that much and my time could have been spent more productively. To each his own I guess.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #9 on: 2014-11-16, 22:29:27 »
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You know I thought on it a while and spending a great deal of time and effort simply to impress other people I don't even know seems kind of absurd to me.

Okay, what I said was an awful way to phrase it.

You don't have to impress anyone.  You have earned your stripes.

Just do it to be part of something you are interested in.  It will give us all an opportunity to rub shoulders and have a few inside jokes to pull out when the time is right.

Watching the ball game is one thing, playing in it is another.  And like most things, you get out of it what you put into it.

Come on AC, be a pal.  Lets go fling some electrons around.
   
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #10 on: 2014-11-17, 01:44:15 »
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Well I think the pulse motor build off is a great idea.

I envision a pulse motor that self starts quickly with full power and runs at a constant rpm with no load at minimum input, and tuned with a CW on the mosfet drains, with PWM and microprocessor control to adjust supply voltage- timing-on time ect., based on load. No flyback output (flyback utilized to minimize input or increase input voltage). I estimate a prototype cost of several hundred dollars AU. Not counting design time costing, just parts and assembly. Is it worth it for the build off ? Maybe not, but it is one of the several devices I am determined to get to "solid working prototype stage". Unfortunately none of my designs will "make any OU energy" but they all can utilize very cheap environmental (gathered) energy, just like this computer is. With a household of three people and three air conditioners three fridges electric water pumps and lights on 24/7 we got a bill for $45.00, using the grid for a massive battery is fairly cheap. It would be difficult for us to use more power, but easy to use less.

Maybe next year, my two phases from one motor using the "resonant charging circuit" coil to double as a lagging phase assisting drive solenoid idea could be involved.

I'll need to work it all out on paper for a fixed rpm/frequency and find out if the idea I have is viable.

The vision is flick a switch and the motor will start under at least some load and run up to running speed quickly, then the electronics and circuitry will do whatever it can to maintain that speed (within limits) under varying loading as efficiently as possible with all loads. Possibly by using resonance the motor could be tuned to develop more power and allow more input power if the speed was to slow towards resonance frequency as the load is increased past design limit.

With any luck the build off will be bigger and better next year, I do plan to build a precision motor to incorporate some of my idea's.

Happy building to the entrants. Safety first tho. Potentially dangerous design flaws should receive demerit points maybe.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #11 on: 2014-11-17, 02:02:15 »
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Potentially dangerous design flaws should receive demerit points maybe.

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Naaahhh
wheres the fun in that    :o

all kidding aside yes safety 3rd,   right behind rules 1 and 2 [both safety first  :D]

It is good to see you around Farmhand.

@AC
It is good to hear that a consideration passed thru your head... :)

here some of us try to work together and others try to help any way they can

Sometimes that's all it takes ...just the desire and a little effort.

I must add
I recently read an exchange here between some fellows that had some words about a wood stove project
 I personally am glad that they took the time to set a great example [for the younger readers] ,I think that this build off is a similar opportunity except not just for the younger readers.......

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #12 on: 2014-11-17, 15:46:37 »
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It is good to hear that a consideration passed thru your head...

here some of us try to work together and others try to help any way they can

Sometimes that's all it takes ...just the desire and a little effort.

I think the onset of winter here, -23 C , may be making me cranky because everything I seem to say lately just seems so negative. I need to find my happy place and do something constructive because what I'm doing just ain't working. Maybe hitting the bench is just what I need to get back on track.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #13 on: 2014-11-17, 19:13:44 »
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Maybe hitting the bench is just what I need to get back on track.

Its better than hitting your head against the wall  :D

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #14 on: 2014-11-18, 10:44:47 »

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I love a good PMBO :) http://youtu.be/7W34W5Gxjeg are former winners allowed to enter?
   
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #15 on: 2014-11-19, 00:31:54 »
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Hi All,

 Ok, this is my pulse motor build off design. This is just the start of the Pulse Radial Engine/Generator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA4RelrMHwc

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #16 on: 2014-11-19, 13:54:52 »
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Hi All,

Ok, waiting for some parts for this pulse motor build off.

Not only is this fun, but I want to win (winner) so this design is very special in every way.

Tom :P
   
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #17 on: 2014-11-19, 22:18:45 »
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Sooo
 the velvet glove comes off the iron fist.....

Wild concept !!

Tom are you getting any of that Crazy snow fall up your way?? [some places seeing 8 ft in the last few days]
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #18 on: 2014-11-20, 12:44:54 »
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Hi All,

 My theory of the radial pulse piston engine:

Like all piston engines we know of TDC,BDC and power stroke.

This design of my pulse engine use all three of these basic workings in a piston engine, instead of using fuel I plan to pulse the center stroke of the piston to create a push/pull effect with a piston that has a magnet in the center.

As the piston moves downward to BDC a pickup coil generates output due to the permanent magnet that is part of the piston, the created a moving magnetic field that will create power output.
Due to counter emf, the load on the piston will be fall less because of the leverage of the crank shaft. This will also have the same effect on TDC also.

Each time the drive coil is turn on due to a PWM/mosfet drive circuit a BEMF will happen as the power it turn off. This can be collected for extra power added to the  generated coils from TDC/BDC power stokes.

This is the basic design using just one piston:


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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #19 on: 2014-11-20, 14:40:44 »

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Very nice Tom, a great design which opens many possibilities as well O0

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #20 on: 2014-11-20, 15:14:51 »
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Thank you Centraflow,


 I agree that there are all kinds of arrangements of pulsing and generating power.

Each field will be 30gauge magnet wire with a resistance of 20ohm's or 200ft long. This will give my a max load of 5v/20ohm =250ma for each pulse coil.

My magnets are 1"od x 5/16"id x 1/4"thick NdFeB Neodymium rare earth ring Magnet and Grade N40 NeFeB.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281112847055?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

For 8 magnets they are about $25.

Magnet Wire 30 Gauge AWG Enameled Copper 2750 Feet Coil Winding 200C at:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181586625842?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

This is the weed wacker crank shaft I'm using 14mm but will add more distance of stroke due to radial design.

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #21 on: 2014-11-22, 00:05:04 »
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Hi All,

Ok, just about finished on this pulse motor build off...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyokf2F63kI

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #22 on: 2014-11-22, 09:01:00 »

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Looking good O0

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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #23 on: 2014-11-23, 23:31:50 »
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Hi All,

 Ok finished on the pistons and piston rods, waiting for the magnets to finish up.

Next would be the electronics and coils to run the radial engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X3tVMVCvxQ

Tom.
   
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Re: Pulse motor build off time. « Reply #24 on: 2014-11-24, 08:09:10 »
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Quote from: Tommey Reed on 2014-11-23, 23:31:50
Ok finished on the pistons and piston rods, waiting for the magnets to finish up.

Next would be the electronics and coils to run the radial engine.


Pretty cool Tom.  You're going to have a blast playing with the controller logic, the possibilities are endless.  I think what I would do is build a crude servo sensor so the controller always knows the crankshaft angle, then you can play with the pulse angle and duration values to make this motor run any way you want, change directions, speed, the works.  Very neat.

I'd like to see it run in a mode that mimics a Harley Davidson, with a nice lope, k-chug, k-chug, k-chug.   hehe.    O0
   
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