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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #25 on: 2014-11-18, 07:30:01 »
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This is not about bending, breaking, or cheating Lenz Law.  Its about comprehending whats there, understanding what the law is demonstrating on the bench, lifting the veil, and finding that we aren't limited when the system is properly referenced to itself.  

The law as written describes systems where the induced results in bucking magnetic fields.  I am making the case where the law is applied to systems where the induced results in voiding magnetic fields (this leads to real magic).  The law applies to both, however its duties as they are related to the latter are inverted.

I repeat, this is not about breaking the law, rid yourselves of that mind virus.


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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #26 on: 2014-11-18, 09:20:47 »
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Quote from: Erfinder on 2014-11-18, 07:30:01
I repeat, this is not about breaking the law, rid yourselves of that mind virus.


The way Paul Babcock explains this is:  Don't try to break Lenz Law, change your geometry and make it irrelevant and not applicable.  Which he did with his custom motor.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #27 on: 2014-11-18, 09:50:18 »
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Quote from: Matt Watts on 2014-11-18, 09:20:47

The way Paul Babcock explains this is:  Don't try to break Lenz Law, change your geometry and make it irrelevant and not applicable.  Which he did with his custom motor.

I knew someone was listening....Babcock method is a step in the right direction, however, I see it as a cheat, and not a plan of action which leads to a greater understanding of the the law.  The geometric relations I discuss are between the induced and inducing currents themselves, the physical geometry is secondary.  I built two toroid style machines, similar to what Paul demonstrates.  This geometry was presented by Nikola Tesla, so the topology isn't new to any of us.  We are not limited to this physical geometry, disclosures like Babcocks, lead many to the conclusion that the way forward is a radical change in physical geometry. As far as I can determine, physical geometry of the system is secondary to relations between the induced and inducing.  

We build off the ideas of those who came before us.  There are several good patents in the patent office which are demonstrating exactly what Babcock is demonstrating in this photo, and its my opinion that one or two others are doing it better.  

Don't try to break the law, comprehend it, and then use it to your advantage.  


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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #28 on: 2014-11-18, 15:27:47 »

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Some of you are missing the point, looking in the wrong direction.  Tesla's 464666 motor patent accomplishes exactly what he says it accomplishes and nothing more.  Don't be misguided by mirages - illusions of misunderstanding.

I have devised a means which renders practicable both the above-described plans or methods, and by which I am enabled to obtain an economical and efficient alternating-current motor, my invention consisting in placing a condenser in the secondary or induced circuit of the motor above described and raising the potential of the secondary currents to such a degree that the capacity of the condenser, which is in part dependent on the potential, need be quite small. The value of this condenser will be determined in a well~understood manner with reference to the self-induction and other conditions of the circuit, so as to cause the currents which pass through it to differ from the primary currents by a quarter~phase.

Tesla states earlier in the patent that capacitors required to shift low potentials 90 degrees are large and expensive.

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Lenz's Law is just a correction of Faraday's Law (added the minus sign) and unavoidable as long as you are inducing current with a changing or moving magnetic field.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #29 on: 2014-11-18, 15:48:53 »
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Quote from: Grumpy on 2014-11-18, 15:27:47
Some of you are missing the point, looking in the wrong direction.  Tesla's 464666 motor patent accomplishes exactly what he says it accomplishes and nothing more.  Don't be misguided by mirages - illusions of misunderstanding.

I have devised a means which renders practicable both the above-described plans or methods, and by which I am enabled to obtain an economical and efficient alternating-current motor, my invention consisting in placing a condenser in the secondary or induced circuit of the motor above described and raising the potential of the secondary currents to such a degree that the capacity of the condenser, which is in part dependent on the potential, need be quite small. The value of this condenser will be determined in a well~understood manner with reference to the self-induction and other conditions of the circuit, so as to cause the currents which pass through it to differ from the primary currents by a quarter~phase.

Tesla states earlier in the patent that capacitors required to shift low potentials 90 degrees are large and expensive.

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Lenz's Law is just a correction of Faraday's Law (added the minus sign) and unavoidable as long as you are inducing current with a changing or moving magnetic field.






I really appreciate you being here to straighten me out.  I must be smoking that laced stuff..... thinking that there is more to that patent than what Tesla presented.  Sorry folks, Grumpy is right....nothing to see here.... :-\


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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #30 on: 2014-11-18, 17:18:38 »

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Quote from: Erfinder on 2014-11-18, 15:48:53

I really appreciate you being here to straighten me out.  I must be smoking that laced stuff..... thinking that there is more to that patent than what Tesla presented.  Sorry folks, Grumpy is right....nothing to see here.... :-\


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You can remain sarcastic if you want to.  It is ridiculous to think that Tesla hid all of these Easter Eggs in his patents.  Why would Tesla hide all of these facts, and never even hint that he had hidden the information? 
   
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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #31 on: 2014-11-18, 17:27:58 »
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Why are you projecting all this negative energy at me?  It doesn't matter what Tesla did or didn't do, what matters is what we are able to see today....right now.  If you don't see more in the text, cool, you don't have to, but its not proper for you to discourage open minded individuals from making new connections, and from those connections, formulating new ideas.


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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #32 on: 2014-11-18, 17:42:15 »

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Quote from: Erfinder on 2014-11-18, 17:27:58
Why are you projecting all this negative energy at me?  It doesn't matter what Tesla did or didn't do, what matters is what we are able to see today....right now.  If you don't see more in the text, cool, you don't have to, but its not proper for you to discourage open minded individuals from making new connections, and from those connections, formulating new ideas.


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I'm only discouraging people from deluding themselves.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #33 on: 2014-11-18, 21:56:32 »
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On the other C.C hand....there are Tesla patents where he clearly said some notes about obtaining free energy...
   
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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #34 on: 2014-11-19, 14:51:59 »
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I'm only discouraging people from deluding themselves.

Reasonable enough however 99% of people outside the forums believe we are deluded as we believe they are, possibly 60% here may feel the others are deluded in some way thus I think what were really saying is we are disappointed when others will not share in our personal flavor of delusion.
It's all relative.

AC
« Last Edit: 2014-11-19, 15:25:47 by Allcanadian »


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Re: Tesla Patent 464666 « Reply #35 on: 2014-11-19, 16:07:16 »
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Quote from: Allcanadian on 2014-11-19, 14:51:59
... our personal flavor of delusion.

Good one AC.


If my personal flavor of delusion won't light a 100 watt filament light bulb, I'm more than happy to try someone else's.    ;D
   
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