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I thought I would start a thread on this subject which has helped me in so many ways as well I should note that I see an increasing lack of critical thinking in society as we know it. I also feel this applies directly to the field of free energy which has become somewhat divided. That is the supposed experts lack critical thinking skills because they rely solely on memory and experience but lack creativity and self-evaluation skills. The novice on the other hand does not understand what is happening nor why and jumps to false conclusions and false beliefs on a regular basis. Somewhere in the middle I think we will find our answers however first we need a clear definition of what critical thinking is and why we need it.


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Critical thinking is the ability to think clearly and rationally. It includes the ability to engage in reflective and independent thinking. Someone with critical thinking skills is able to do the following :

understand the logical connections between ideas
identify, construct and evaluate arguments
detect inconsistencies and common mistakes in reasoning
solve problems systematically
identify the relevance and importance of ideas
reflect on the justification of one's own beliefs and values
Critical thinking is not a matter of accumulating information. A person with a good memory and who knows a lot of facts is not necessarily good at critical thinking. A critical thinker is able to deduce consequences from what he knows, and he knows how to make use of information to solve problems, and to seek relevant sources of information to inform himself.

Critical thinking should not be confused with being argumentative or being critical of other people. Although critical thinking skills can be used in exposing fallacies and bad reasoning, critical thinking can also play an important role in cooperative reasoning and constructive tasks. Critical thinking can help us acquire knowledge, improve our theories, and strengthen arguments. We can use critical thinking to enhance work processes and improve social institutions.

Some people believe that critical thinking hinders creativity because it requires following the rules of logic and rationality, but creativity might require breaking rules. This is a misconception. Critical thinking is quite compatible with thinking "out-of-the-box", challenging consensus and purusing less popular approaches. If anything, critical thinking is an essential part of creativity because we need critical thinking to evaluate and improve our creative ideas.

http://philosophy.hku.hk/think/critical/ct.php

I would also suggest everyone watch the video on the main page of the link above which I thought was very well presented. I believe we need to start giving some real intelligent unbiased thought towards what it is we want and how we intend to get it.

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Memorize a problem and you may master that particular problem

Improve your critical thinking and you will give yourself the tools to create your own effective solutions to a multitude of unfamiliar problems.

You see this is why being an expert in a given field in no way implies anyone has the ability to understand an unfamiliar problem which they have little understanding of. What most generally do however is fall back on their memories and experience which are biased and form a biased opinion of what they believe. This has nothing to do with real facts nor what is happening in reality only their opinion of what may or not be happening. Critical thinking solves this problem because not only must we look at the problem objectively from all perspectives but we must also be critical of how we see the problem and the biases we have formed concerning it. Thus we become an integral part of the problem and the solution because it is impossible to separate ourselves from our own thinking.

Critical thinking is a self-awareness of what we think and why we think it, it examines our own bias towards one way of thinking or another and understanding our own biases gives us more options for possible solutions. Now I wonder how many people felt a little offended when at the beginning I said being an expert does not always imply understanding?. This is a bias is it not, that one would suppose they understand everything just because they consider themselves an expert having a great deal of experience. Obviously nobody knows everything so the question remains... why would anyone find this offensive in any way?... yet most do in that place they don't like to talk about...why is that?.

The single biggest problem I see is when people apply a false common sense, they say I know this machine acts like this and I assume this other machine in question is almost the same so it must also act the same. Does it act the same?, well no we don't know that it does as a fact so why would we automatically assume it does?. Why would we speak of facts and logic and reason then base our opinion on nothing more than assumptions?. It is kind of comical when a person thinks about it because all of us tend to say one thing yet do another, we say they are not being logical or reasonable and yet neither are we.

I like to reduce it to simple math.
The real Problem = (a problem) + (our assumptions)
Our assumptions = (our experience) + (our beliefs)

The solution = (a problem) - (our assumptions) + (critical thinking)

Improve your critical thinking and you will give yourself the tools to create your own effective solutions to a multitude of unfamiliar problems and the unfamiliar problems are the reason we are her.


I should note this is not the place to debate OU devices this thread is to debate critical thinking which may help us understand the phenomena better.

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Excellent topic for discussion AC!

There is enormous pressure in the world to
suppress critical thinking.

Those who speak out do so with considerable
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A valiant professor does what is right.

Hopefully, more will develop such courage.


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Those who speak out do so with considerable
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I see it differently as in my opinion the greatest risk lies in not speaking up because we fear being judged by others, in a way it represents a way of overcoming our fears. Personally I welcome it because if someone wants to judge me then they will have to justify their opinions. For me there is no right or wrong persay there is only justification for one's thoughts regardless of the topic to be considered, there are no taboo subjects in my opinion. As well, how can we claim to be responsible adults and then take no responsibility for our own opinions because we may be afraid, it seems irresponsible to me and I question everything by default. In the words of the immortal Mr.T -- "I pity the fool" -- who tells me I have no right to question everything.

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Critical thinking promotes creativity. To come up with a creative solution to a problem involves not just having new ideas. It must also be the case that the new ideas being generated are useful and relevant to the task at hand. Critical thinking plays a crucial role in evaluating new ideas, selecting the best ones and modifying them if necessary


How does Critical thinking promote creativity?, I think all of us have seen or heard things which make no sense and we feel we are unable to wrap our mind around it. Our default position is generally that it cannot be true simply because we cannot understand it however we have another options. 1) it is not true or 2)it is true but we cannot understand it right now or 3)through critical thinking we might expose unknown flaws in our own thoughts leading to new creative idea's to solve the problem.

Here is an example, many years ago I used to try to replicate/build damn near everything under the sun and I always failed...sound familiar?. I mean I spent decades of intensive research and hundreds of builds and nothing worked until I came to the understanding that maybe I was doing something wrong. It was a little depressing but then I saw the light at the end of the tunnel and it all became very clear to me. I would never succeed because I have sabogaged the whole of the process from day one, I was never looking for reasons how it could work from my own perspective as an individual I was trying to prove to myself that it would never work to retain a sense of normalcy.

So I tried to discard all the baggage I was carrying around in my mind and decided to start from scratch and take a completely new approach. My first step was learning psychology because in my mind I had created a mental wall which was impassable and created from past experience and one sided thinking. As if all the answers I wanted were right in front of me on the other side of that damn wall but my mind would not let me pass. Now think about that for one moment, we all have certain opinions or beliefs about one thing or another but how many times do we stop and question our own thinking?. I mean really question it, why did I just think that?, what conditions led to me thinking these thoughts relative to what I thought prior? where is the justification of having these thoughts and is there another perspective different from my own?. We should be honest with ourselves first and foremost.

As it were I came to a miraculous conclusion, I was thinking the same things over and over and I always had the same thought process therefore I always came to exactly the same conclusions in every case. I could not do anything different because I was not actually thinking any different despite my firm belief that I was. So it was not a simple matter of thinking logically nor a matter of reasoning but the context in which our thoughts are created. It is like saying one plus one equals two but never questioning what a number is or why it exists or how and why we use them. The question not asked is what if numbers were never invented, how would we rationalize the concept of multiple things and how they relate to other things in our world?. You see we cannot even begin to imagine this therefore we will always be held to this single perspective no matter how hard we try or how open minded we claim to be. We all have near identical thoughts without even knowing we do because they are so ingrained in us they are beyond comprehension or question.

As well critical thinking and being conscious of our own thought process has it's benefits as I used to grind my teeth at night and snore, lol. The dentist said I needed a mouth guard and the wife recomended surgery for my snoring so I put my beliefs to the test. I was doing things in my subconscious that would seem to be out of my control but I had to question if they were in fact. So I trained my mind to be more aware of what my body was doing as I fell asleep each night which was not an easy task in any way, shape or form as we are creatures of habit. The issue here is that we take these things for granted and never question them... they just are and there is no getting around it. In fact we can do something and within a month I stopped grinding my teeth and my snoring has all but ceased. Make no mistake it requires a great deal of discipline to retrain our mind and break our habits however it is worth the effort in my opinion.

So we do have choices and once I became conscious of my own thinking and became very critical of my thought process things did begin to change in ways I could never have imagined. I learned more in the last two years than I have in the last two decades. Actually it is kind of comical because when I look back at all those years there is only one thought which comes to mind... what in the hell was I thinking.

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coilgun

A coilgun (or Gauss gun, in reference to Carl Friedrich Gauss, who formulated mathematical descriptions of the magnetic effect used by magnetic accelerators is a type of projectile accelerator consisting of one or more coils used as electromagnets in the configuration of a linear motor that accelerate a ferromagnetic or conducting projectile to high velocity. In almost all coilgun configurations, the coils and the gun barrel are arranged on a common axis.

Coilguns generally consist of one or more coils arranged along a barrel, so the path of the accelerating projectile lies along the central axis of the coils. The coils are switched on and off in a precisely timed sequence, causing the projectile to be accelerated quickly along the barrel via magnetic forces.

Coilguns are distinct from railguns, as the direction of acceleration in a railgun is at right angles to the central axis of the current loop formed by the conducting rails. In addition, railguns usually require the use of sliding contacts to pass a large current through the projectile or sabot but coilguns do not necessarily require sliding contacts.

Whilst some simple coilgun concepts can use ferromagnetic projectiles or even permanent magnet projectiles, most designs for high velocities actually incorporate a coupled coil as part of the projectile.

History

The first operational coilgun was developed and patented by Norwegian physicist Kristian Birkeland.

In 1933, Texan inventor Virgil Rigsby developed a stationary coilgun that was designed to be used like a machine gun. It was powered by a large electrical motor and generator. It appeared in many contemporary science publications, but never piqued the interest of any armed forces.

Construction

There are two main types or setups of a coilgun: single-stage and multistage. A single-stage coilgun uses one electromagnet to propel a projectile. A multistage coilgun uses several electromagnets in succession to progressively increase the speed of the projectile.

Can you stop a bullet ? send it back the way it came just as fast ? and then do it again ? and again.. ? How you gonna' power that baby?_.

Can you generate power with that moving mass ? Can you compress a fluid and phase change a matter ?

Can you recycle heat ? Can you operate at 100% thermal efficiency ?

What can you do... ? . ?


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Uhm... I have no idea where your going with this because it is just random incoherent information and the context of why, how and where do not seem to be present.


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Uhm... I have no idea where your going with this because it is just random incoherent information and the context of why, how and where do not seem to be present.

You have applied critical thinking to my post and reached your conclusions. Ok good.

Anybody else want a go at applying critical thinking and explain what they think I am getting at ?


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You have applied critical thinking to my post and reached your conclusions. Ok good.

Actually it was just a smart ass remark and there wasn't much thinking in it, lol. I was trying to provoke a response as to where your going with this.
I have concluded that in every system with a gain in energy there must be a mechanism for a gain in energy. Thus we could take almost any system and show a gain if we knew the true nature of the mechanisms for gain. However to say look here is a simple system now try to guess what I'm thinking never has worked in my opinion, we need more context because as it stands it is just another system with losses like any other.

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"According to the field of inquiry [weasel words], critical thinking is defined as:

"the process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and evaluating information to reach an answer or conclusion"[4]
"disciplined thinking that is clear, rational, open-minded, and informed by evidence"[5]
"reasonable, reflective thinking focused on deciding what to believe or do"[6]
"purposeful, self-regulatory judgment which results in interpretation, analysis, evaluation, and inference, as well as explanation of the evidential, conceptual, methodological, criteriological, or contextual considerations upon which that judgment is based"[7]
"includes a commitment to using reason in the formulation of our beliefs"[8]
in critical social theory, it is the commitment to the social and political practice of participatory democracy; willingness to imagine or to remain open to considering alternative perspectives; willingness to integrate new or revised perspectives into our ways of thinking and acting; and willingness to foster criticality in others.[9]
the skill and propensity to engage in an activity with reflective scepticism (McPeck, 1981)
disciplined, self-directed thinking which exemplifies the perfection of thinking appropriate to a particular mode of domain of thinking (Paul, 1989, p. 214)
thinking about one's thinking in a manner designed to organize and clarify, raise the efficiency of, and recognize errors and biases in one's own thinking. Critical thinking is not 'hard' thinking nor is it directed at solving problems (other than 'improving' one's own thinking). Critical thinking is inward-directed with the intent of maximizing the rationality of the thinker. One does not use critical thinking to solve problems — one uses critical thinking to improve one's process of thinking.[10]"

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Consider the above, and then answer the following question, assume the device wasn't given a title by the inventor, assume the patent gave no description or theory of operation, you being knowledgeable and or skilled in the arts, have little or no problem stating the obvious.

Aside from what you will read what else could this device be demonstrating?




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Consider the above, and then answer the following question, assume the device wasn't given a title by the inventor, assume the patent gave no description or theory of operation, you being knowledgeable and or skilled in the arts, have little or no problem stating the obvious.

Aside from what you will read what else could this device be demonstrating?


I see a device that has enumerated around its outside stator core, an alternating arrangement of solenoids and transformers.

Applying critical thinking here, I would conclude this device isn't simply a motor, converting electrical energy into mechanical energy.  It clearly has some sort of energy recuperation components.  Lets go deeper...

Why, one must ask, would you simply convert electrical energy into mechanical motion, when it's quite possible and feasible to borrow electrical energy, create rotation with this energy, then give it back to the source to be reused.

However, it is not my point to here to determine why the originator of this device chose to construct it in this manner.  My point is to familiarize myself with the concept so that it can be utilized in other applications.
   
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Consider the above, and then answer the following question, assume the device wasn't given a title by the inventor, assume the patent gave no description or theory of operation, you being knowledgeable and or skilled in the arts, have little or no problem stating the obvious.

Aside from what you will read what else could this device be demonstrating?

I like the premise, we know what we see but what could this device be demonstrating?. It's really hard not to be biased as I know the patent well however I cannot help but think it relates to ferroresonance as the induced LC circuit FG is closed on itself with capacitor H. However depending on the nature of the applied current it could do any number of things ... a motor, a generator or a motor/generator. For me there is just too much going on because we have E, we have FG - H and we have D which in themselves could produce any number of effects in relation to the other elements again depending on the properties of the elements and the nature of the applied current.

I have been having this problem lately in that I have come to understand too many things which opens up too many possibilities which is no better if not worse than understanding too little. It has been very hard to focus lately so I'm going to need a little guidance on where you want to go with this.

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I see what Matt states mechanically resides well with AC's Ferro-resonance.
I also see the making of an Armstrong like resonator where feedback is used to push the system along. Whether in phase or not depends on the configuration.
We'll see where this goes...

@Erfinder, good to see you on board.


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Don't know what the point is in this critical thinking forum, but the facts are most inventions was created thinking out of the box of critical thinkers!

I also think those that want other to think like themselves should have enough inventions to walk the talk!

I find most of my ideas is out of the box, then I will break it down into critical thinking or what ever you want to call it.

If we want to become a robot in thinking then most of the time someone has to fix you because you're broken!

I seen many time in life, other telling us how to think, like they are above all...NOT!

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Those in the box are not worth placating. Once one gets the inventions, the patents, the business, the money, the accolades, the self righteous pontifications, the process... one then realizes they have a trail of feeding idiots following behind. Critical thinking without creativity is merely complaining and welfare hunting.


Well, well well. While this was going on some one just took a rail gun, an emp gun, and a stun gun, and put them all together to make a phenominal product.
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I take it critical thinking is working well for you then?, lol.
Personally I found it to a peculiar process because we try and convince ourselves that nothing has changed and it isn't working however the fact we are thinking about it and our thoughts must mean it has.

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Don't know what the point is in this critical thinking forum, but the facts are most inventions was created thinking out of the box (OOTB) of critical thinkers (CT)!
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I was wondering when someone would mention OOTB when discussing CT. I disagree. Most inventions are just a slant of a previous invention. Widget A has BC features, but now with feature D added, it becomes revolutionary. Normal progression of action/reaction fosters extended ideas/conclusions but they are not OOTB.

OOTB would be applicable if, let's say, someone proved that driving backwards was 300% safer then driving forward. Who the hell would have thought that possible. Only a crazy guy with his brain screwed backwards, but what if what he discovered was in fact true (not saying it is - just using an example so don't anyone try it on a highway nearest you - hehehe).

OOTB requires one to absolve themselves of their present state of thinking and almost integrate a new persona as if you are an alien visitor to your own planet. You can't just turn CT or OOTB on and off with the flick of a switch. It becomes a way of life. It permeates your present and it dissociates yourself from the norm. It is not always pleasant and it can create major problems for professionals that have to follow a well defined mode of conduct and public acceptance. It can also alienate yourself from your peers (hic-hic) and it can create major and constant questioning of your state of mind. "Why is it only me that sees this? Why is it so difficult for others to realize the differences. WTF can I do to get this into their brains so others can (in your view) advance towards a new horizon? HowTH will I be able to show this blue color if everything around us is tainted red? The obstacles can be extremely daunting but given all the resistance involved in formulating CT or OOTB ideas, the rewards can also go through the roof.

Wow, that felt good. Sort of an auto analysis. hahahaha

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(Continuation of this post after @Erfinder post was edited and re-posted.)

But let me give you some of my own CT.

From my present frame of mind, I realize that Tesla's invention of AC is basically all he could do at the time. I have now realized that all coils, Tesla or otherwise, AC or DC driven all suffer from what I call Half Coil Syndrome (HCS) if I consider my present view of how electricity is actually produced, conducted and put to work. In Teslas' day, they were totally immersed in the perspective of the "magnetic field" that was invented to perpetuate a belief system that is over 2000 years old and based on the first iron objects that stuck to a lodestone as being "magic", hence the derivations "magnetic and magnetism. So over the centuries, magnetism became an accepted reality equal to dandruff and death. It is not surprising that when we finally get to the "modern age", this magnetism was as pervasive in higher learning as it was on the outset.

But where do I consider this all went wrong. Well of course it began way back then, but I feel the onus was on individuals like Faraday and others of his day who started to formalize a scientific method of observation. They only problem was, back then like today, if you are a true scientist, you should apply CT in all aspects of theory derivation which no one really did at the time.

No one questioned the reality of magnetism. If a perfectly objective scientist was at task, he would have seen a compass needle point towards a magnet and he would have also seen a piece of metal stick to a magnet and he would have responsibly derived TWO POSSIBLE REASONS for the effects.

1) Magnets produce this invisible magnetic field that attracts the needle and sticks the metal to the source.
2) Magnets are doing exactly what the Earth does every day and that is produce gravity to which metal has a major affinity, all without any fields.

History has made it so that we only follow the first presumption, whether it is right or wrong, we have taken this road till today but that road did not provide an easy ride.

That's because as soon as the first derivation was given and accepted by "supposedly" the Worlds" greatest minds and integrated formally as an academic reality, that magnets produce magnetic fields that attract metal objects and produce field lines onto which your compass needle rides to point to the magnet itself, someone discovered that when the magnet passed near a copper wire wrapped around a metallic core, the coil produced all the same attributes as the magnet, where the compass needle was attracted and the metal objects stuck to the coil. Automatically, since the magnetic designation was already provided by the greatest minds of the day, it would be blasphemy to consider arguing with these brainiacs who not only controlled scientific endeavor but more importantly the purse strings and the club pass to enter their midst, so people quickly learned to shut up, not rock the boat, follow the party line, always agree when your superior is talking to you and all the other trappings of being stuck in a scientific hierarchy controlled by the "nobles" (another word for Cabal), who by then realized that any advancement of any type must advantage them and their "banking" interests only. Science was theirs to profit, regardless of how it portrayed reality, as long as the end result was profits.  

So back to the magnet passing a wire actually energized a coil to act like a magnet and now they had to develop new terms, new reasons for such an effect. How can a magnet produce an energized coil? Well we already agreed that the magnet produced a magnetic field, and, since the magnet never touched the copper wire and coil but the effect was still seen, it had to be the magnetic field. Y'a but HOW????? Well, uhhhhhh, hmmmmmm, geeeeeee, rrrrrrrrrrr, well let's see. The field is composed of these magic electrons, see, that when they pass over the wire, the wire gets charged and electrons start flowing in the coil to produce the magnetic field. Wow that sounds convincing enough, let's go with that. Someone then just coined the words electron, then electricity, a magnetic field and from there, someone else put it into some mathematical matrix (Maxwell) and from there, this one sided view of effects has been perpetuated till today. Nothing happens on its own man. It is a succession of the strictest academic control based on a prehistoric presumption and from there, our greatest minds have seen fit to mold the empirical data to fit the effect and provide enough forms of segmentation that permit talking about the effects with math hence a science is born. Years pass and the electron is not only in the field but covers every atom in existence and is responsible for every chemical reaction known to man. TECHNICALLY, YOU NEVER TOUCHED ANYTHING BUT ELECTRONS, YOU EAT ELECTRONS, YOU EVEN SHIT ELECTRONS, WE HAVE ELECTRONS COMING OUT OF OUR GOUZZIES. WE ARE ELECTRONS AND YOU WILL OBEY!!!  

So here we are boys and girls. 2000 or more years later and we are still stuck with ancient premises. But let's go back for a while.

The first reality, a lodestone, is what? A stone, a rock, a damn rock like all the other rocks on this planet when added together produce gravity which we all accept as one reality, but then we do this switchover and give all the same attributes to a magnet, a coil, like our own planet has. But no, our planet can have gravity but this little stone has to be magnetism, because our most greatest minds DECIDED, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. And the greatest crap of all is we now espouse two forms of presence, gravity and magnetism. Even though they are all the same damn thing, by the powers vested in the Nobels, we have been bambouzled into believing there are two distinct phenomena and by doing so, we have chewed up all the crap make-up designed to fixate this perspective and by doing so have neglected to discover the real functions of the atom (of which I have already defined 6). I blame this entirely on the Faraday era, who must have realized option #2 was an evident reality, but for them, option #2 was already taken by Newton who already had reaped mountains of fame, so it was time for someone else to grab the limelight and reap new rewards, even if they had to make up fairy tale stories to get it.

Shit, I went really long and will stop here. This OOTB or CT really get's you going.

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Shit, I went really long and will stop here. This OOTB or CT really get's you going.

The only thing I am sure of is if you find yourself having to think outside the box...

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What I see in the patent, and am asking the open minded here to see is a mechanism which demonstrates how a motor could double as a self-excited generator.  My use of the phrase "self excited" isn't limited to the production of magnetizing current.   It should be clear that when producing a magnetic field, one sets up the conditions whereby torque can and usually is produced, generally in a direction counter to the direction of rotation.  In addition to the production of magnetizing current.  

  • I am suggesting that my use of the phrase "self excited" encompasses a heretofore overlooked torque producing mechanism, which when properly practiced, results in a motor force which operates in the direction of rotation.
  • I am suggesting a real mechanism which yields acceleration when a generator is placed under load.
  • I am suggesting a generator which drops the motors consumption when placed under load.  
  • I am suggesting a generator when loaded mechanically, the consumption increases as is customary, however, the generator action increases, this despite the fact that the device is decelerating.
  • I am suggesting we take a fresh look at an old patent, because we missed something.  

Before someone comes and states that they can demonstrate all that I am suggesting, I humbly request that before you do such, come correct, and show these things taking place in a real off the shelf reworked motor, not a toy format, not in a device that you threw together, such things aren't worth discussing any longer.  The only exception to this is when the toy or more proper, prototype is demonstrating the principles that can be applied to a real machine, and only if you can demonstrate the real machine after showing the prototype.

If you can see all I am suggesting that I see in that patent, then we have something to discuss.


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am suggesting a generator which drops the motors consumption when placed under load.
SM stated the same.
This patent device exhibits a variable frequency phase applied feedback.
Unlike the 180 degree out of phase Armstrong oscillator this phasing is in the power generation part of the curve.


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Do not make the mistake most make and overlook the significance of the rotor layout, and its relation to the secondary windings.

Tesla wasn't the only guy to present this, however, he inspired many of the names that would be brought up, with that said, I fill my cup from the source.


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... I fill my cup from the source.

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-464,666-electro-magnetic-motor

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... but no means have heretofore been proposed that would secure in this way between the phases of the primary or inducing and the secondary or induced currents that difference—theoretically ninety degrees—that is best adapted for practical and economical working.

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here, but it sounds as though Mr. Tesla is saying this motor runs purely on reactive power, much like an unloaded transformer.  And what makes this motor special is that it needn't use excessively large capacitors to do it.
   
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http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-464,666-electro-magnetic-motor

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here, but it sounds as though Mr. Tesla is saying this motor runs purely on reactive power, much like an unloaded transformer.  And what makes this motor special is that it needn't use excessively large capacitors to do it.

The patent as penned is "primarily" dealing with securing a 90° phase difference between inducing and induced circuits.  True to his style, Tesla, slams us with the full potential of the disclosure in his closing remarks.  He states "any desired difference of phase between the primary and secondary energizing-circuits may be obtained.", any desired difference is a far cry from the 90° that we are presented with at the beginning of the document.  

The closing remarks send a powerful message, for it means that when you control the capacitance of the induced circuit you control the phase angle between the induced current and potential.  Before you go "DUH" remember that we are shown a circuit possessing capacity with a capacitor inserted into it.  I am of the opinion that a coil is a special case capacitor, and via this complex mechanism the circuit has no resonant frequency, the addition of the fixed value cap forces the circuit to operate at a specific frequency, the "selected" frequency of operation is just that, the frequency the operator selected, when the device is properly communicating with itself, this selected frequency serves as a catalyst for all that follows.  

In my opinion this isn't reactive power, or even converting reactive power.  Reactive power is when induced current and voltage are 90° out of phase, the secondary or induced circuit is not reactive owing to the addition of the capacitor.  The cap offsets the negative effects associated with self induction, and brings the induced current and potential in this (secondary) circuit into phase.  This particular scenario is frequency restricted.  Its clear that we are looking at an LC circuit operating in resonance.  The idea I am bringing to the table goes beyond the securing of an economic phase shift, and encompasses Tesla's closing remarks.  

I am interested in the mechanism which brings us to the threshold, a point which many are familiar with, a point characterized by the effect acceleration under short.  When this condition is established in a circuit of proper construction and driven in the proper manner, when one recognizes the quadrature relation of the induced potential and current, (something akin to 1/4 wave tuning, as that concept applies to pulse width modulated rotary machines...) this condition can be pushed further, pushed to the point where the device transitions from something akin to parallel resonant into something which resembles series resonance, when this transition takes place, the device runs away.   When runaway manifests, acceleration is accompanied by increased consumption, the current limiting mechanism is completely inverted.  The induced regulates the increase of current supplying the motor as opposed to regulating its decrease.  The run away condition is only possible, and above all stable, when you control the one parameter that has been ignored by all but a few, phase angle.

I accept that to many this comes over as conjecture, its mine, and it works for me both on and off the bench.   Now what in the hell does any of this have to do with a self excited generator?


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