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TinMan	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #50 on: 2014-10-27, 04:51:38 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	So what do we have so far? Seems to me that we have one motor driving a PMA(the silver colored device that looks like a motor)) The other motor is driving a water pump that is driving the 3 phase pelton generator. 1 battery that is hooked to the inverters(we'll call this battery 1),and the second battery(battery 2) go's through the emergency cut off switch to the solenoid via the light gauge white wire..I think when the emergency cut off switch is hit,the power from battery 1 is disconnected from the inverter's,and the power from the pelton generator is sent to the load dump resisters via the solenoid until the pelton generator spins down to a stop. The power from the PMA may also be sent to the load dump resistors at this time?. But which generator is charging the batteries,and which is supplying the AC output,as it would seem that the two inverters are supplying the power to each motor. Both the PMA and pelton generator seem to be 3 phase,although i see 6 wires coming from the PMA $:-\$ If this is a fake,then looking at there web site and the guarantee they give with the unit,they have just got them self a one way ticket to the courthouse. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #51 on: 2014-10-27, 05:24:29 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Tommey Reed on 2014-10-27, 02:00:25 I would not trust anything Stirling is claiming.....He is no different then a con man... Stirling is a clear nut job. He's been booted by his wife,and now by his church.The bloke even said he was god's chosen one on one of the smartscarecrow show's. http://www.greaterthings.com/News/2014/10/23/2392525_LDS-Church_bans_Sterling-Allan_from_all_LDS-Properties_for_participating-in_Sunday-School/ --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Matt Watts	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #52 on: 2014-10-27, 07:05:24 »
Group: Guest	When Stirling decided to get his hands dirty with his HHO thermal experiments, I was really hoping he'd dig in and continue to learn this stuff and become a normal fellow like the rest of us. Short lived. Instead he got a radio show on Jeff Rense's network and went right back to where he was before. I spent a fair amount of time with him in Boulder and he seems like a decent guy--a bit shorter than I expected. It's hard to tell what really drives him day to day. He's definitely on a hunting mission, but has such an open mind that most anything can captivate his attention. Still, he's a good guy to have in your address book. If you are looking for an old contact in this business, chances are good Sterling has it.

TinMan	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #53 on: 2014-10-27, 07:14:40 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: EMdevices on 2014-10-27, 06:46:36 That's an interesting insight into his life that I never knew. I read the whole page and I sympathize with him, and wish him happiness, which can be so rare these days. He's an independent thinker for sure, and in matters of religion, the leaders always get upset when a laymen speaks out and challenges their views. He needs a support group and we need to encourage him, it's not easy to be excommunicated from the church you love and grew up in. Just watch "breaking Amish" and see what fear of excommunication they have. I too read the whole page,and have witnessed much more than that page tell's. When you say things like! i was sent by god to lead! you need help alright.I have had first hand dealings with Stirling,and it wasn't pretty -ask Mark Dansie how honest Stirling is. I also read what looks like a threat toward the church-Quote: i have millions of followers. MILLIONS you say I see nothing more than a delusional man that will endorse anything that can make him a quick buck. He needs help alright EM,but not the sort your thinking of. Do a little research -dig a little deeper. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Tommey Reed	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #54 on: 2014-10-27, 11:32:33 »
Group: Guest	HI All, I know enough about Stirling to know that he can't be trusted. I have seen this guy on Smartscrarecrow Show make more claims to make stupid people believe just about anything. He is the Dennie Lee, Paul Pantones and snake oil salesman. I recall a few years back that he took investor money I believe it was 60k to Africa to by a self running motor permanent magnet motor. He did not buy the motor, but did use the money to buy a house. I know enough about him to not trust anything he claims, I personally talked to him on the phone a few years back wanted my patented rotary engine to make money on it. I even ask this guy to remove my viideos from his web site, which he did not do. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Tommey_Reed_External_Combustion_Engine This is another reason I closed many YouTube accounts because of him stealing my video's to make his web site more interesting. Stirling is a wacko, his God is money let's not for get this. God in not interested in man made things, he more interested in you not going to hell that started with the love of money! Stirling has a history of taking investors money, be careful you can be next! Tom « Last Edit: 2014-10-27, 12:03:19 by Tommey Reed »

Tommey Reed	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #55 on: 2014-10-27, 11:52:21 »
Group: Guest	Hi All, Where should I start on this scam? This is what I see and understanding how electrical power is made. The batteries run the dc motor that turns a permanent magnet generator also known as a mechanical transformer. I seen two inverters, a 2000 watt and another one above the inside panel. The cheap design in the outside panel looks to be made with a simple handsaw where the cuts are not even good. This is just a box on wheel with all types of bells & whistles to mislead others. Two batteries are where the true power come from to power the inverters. The water tank is another way to take people eyes off the details, like eye candy. I would say this is a scam, no way you can create HHO or steam to power this system. That's my opinion! Tom.

Centraflow	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #56 on: 2014-10-27, 12:27:15 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Grumage on 2014-10-26, 20:36:41 Dear All. Is this GL's Pelton wheel ? Perhaps the reason behind it's water consumption is the simple fact that it leaks a little during operation ? Cheers Grum. Admin: Converted that 6M file to 600k. Yes I would say it is the Pelton wheel, it all seems to show that the real generator is this driven by a water pressure pump. Why is only one battery used for high current as the other only has a thin white wire connected, that would only do control power me thinks!! Is the belt driven motor from the pump infact a DC PM motor used as a generator as well? and run from the motor of the pressure pump? The third motor on the other side of the setup (nearly out of view), seems to be an AC motor as you can see the start cap shrouding, what is this for? possibility it is connected to another pump in the bottom of the tank as the pressure pump may need a minimum of 3psi of water pressure + volume to start with as in a karcher pump, but this seems big, 1/4hp? The investigation continues --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Chet K	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #57 on: 2014-10-27, 12:52:44 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Sigh... well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place] He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house, also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast... I did not mention my association with said Fowl ... Yet He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM. more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't Chet

Grumage	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #58 on: 2014-10-27, 13:23:03 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 2765	Dear All. Religion and Politics aside!! Has anyone tried doing a simple test? Mike has suggested a pressure washer pump aimed at the Pelton wheel, this would prove beyond any doubt by measuring both input and output power whether there is an OU situation! I Am not in the best of financial health ATM, and shelling out £ 150.00 for that unit that dear Groundloop found is beyond me. Surely there must be someone who has the parts to hand to find out? Cheers Grum. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Matt Watts	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #59 on: 2014-10-27, 13:45:22 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Chet K on 2014-10-27, 12:52:44 [only Canadian patents in place] Can we find these said patents and have a look? Certainly they would provide a better theory of operation than looking at screenshots of youtube videos.

TinMan	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #60 on: 2014-10-27, 13:49:02 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Grumage on 2014-10-27, 13:23:03 Dear All. Religion and Politics aside!! Has anyone tried doing a simple test? Mike has suggested a pressure washer pump aimed at the Pelton wheel, this would prove beyond any doubt by measuring both input and output power whether there is an OU situation! I Am not in the best of financial health ATM, and shelling out £ 150.00 for that unit that dear Groundloop found is beyond me. Surely there must be someone who has the parts to hand to find out? Cheers Grum. Funny you should say that Grum,as i actually said the same thing to Chet on the phone not so long ago-has anyone actually tried something similar. I must say i am confused after my conversation with Chet not 10 minutes ago.As Chet stated,the guy has no units ready for sale,so why dose he advertise ready units on his video? he also shows the 3000 watt unit in the video,which he doesn't intend on manufacturing at all???,only from the 5000 watt and up will be available. Here is an example to the other guys here about Stirling Allen. Quote Stirling: Let them know PES referred you, for a likely discount and commission for PES. (We've requested this relationship and are waiting to hear back. Wouldn't hurt to mention it.) Stirling hasn't even talked to the guy yet,and is in no way any sort of partner in this deal-->don't go through S.A if you intend on making any sort of purchase-which i would hold off on just for a while yet,as we would be quite capable of building our own unit's if the tek proved to be true -but i have my doubt's. But in saying that,we hear so much about these pulsed/impacted flywheel setup's,that i wonder if the pelton wheel might act in much the same mannor. But like poynt said-this dosnt smell so sweet ATM. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #61 on: 2014-10-27, 13:57:34 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	I just checked out AU ebay,and it would cost me around $340.00 to buy and shipping. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PMA-Generator-with-Pelton-Wheel-for-Water-Power-0-240-VAC-4000-Watt-Micro-Hydro-/201082043553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed16c7ca1#ht_1148wt_1443 But i believe i may have just the generator needed to see if there may be any sort of truth to this type of setup. Will post a couple of pics on what i scored today,as it is hard waste throw out week around this area. Couldn't believe my luck. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Grumage	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #62 on: 2014-10-27, 14:03:08 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 2765	Dear poynt99. That is exactly the way I started my small business over 25 years ago! I built two model IC Engines, took photographs, then advertised the kit's. No internet back then ! I took deposits and then got the castings sorted for final despatch. This method worked for me in the early days, as the business account grew, so did the stock. My customers were then dealt with by return!! As I see it, this is a fledgling business, it would be nice to see if the product lives up to expectation!! Cheers Grum. « Last Edit: 2014-10-27, 14:05:15 by Chet K » --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Chet K	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #63 on: 2014-10-27, 14:13:14 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	@All I have learned from one of the members here to bring things to the simplest and smallest size possible[within reason] for experiments. we don't need to see KW just a proof of concept. perhaps working in a small aquarium size test bed?? thx Chet

TinMan	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #64 on: 2014-10-27, 14:23:58 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Here is my lucky score today. I found 3 units all up,but one hasn't been cleaned yet,and i don't think the MRS would like it on her kitchen table to much.These are the fisher&paykel smart drive motor's,and they make excellent generators.I managed to find 2x 60 series(1 on the left,and one still in the workshop) and lucky me also found 1x 40 series(one on the right,and pictured by itself) The 40 series also happens to be the one in best condition,but all 3 are in pretty good nick. The 40 series is the lower voltage,higher current model,and used in most wind turbine projects. They are all 3 phase in Y configuration. I think the 40 series would do the job just nicely in this setup. I also have a high pressure pump,and all is needed now is the pelton wheel itself. ------------------------ GDS 3 KW generator runs on water smart drive 1.JPG (140.42 kB, 980x735 - viewed 665 times.) GDS 3 KW generator runs on water smart drive 60 series.JPG (109.96 kB, 980x735 - viewed 564 times.) --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #65 on: 2014-10-27, 14:32:24 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	What is also worth noting in this sort of setup,is that it is an open system-in that no matter what load is placed on the generator,no reflection of this load is placed on the pump. The pump will consume X amount of power,and that amount will not change regardless of load on the generator.This makes it very easy to get P/in and P/out measurements. A simple watt meter on the P/in side takes care of that. The P/out from the gen should be rectified and smoothed with large cap's,and then placed on a resistive load to get out P/out measurement. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Groundloop	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #66 on: 2014-10-27, 14:37:04 »
Sr. Member Posts: 336	Quote from: Chet K on 2014-10-27, 14:13:14 @All I have learned from one of the members here to bring things to the simplest and smallest size possible[within reason] for experiments. we don't need to see KW just a proof of concept. perhaps working in a small aquarium size test bed?? thx Chet Chet, Maybe this small generator will do? http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Hydroelectric-Water-Power-Micro-Hydro-Generator-Portable-Charger-NEW-/271629950552?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item3f3e681e58 GL. ------------------------ GDS 3 KW generator runs on water MicroHydroGen3Watt5.jpg (123.4 kB, 1001x1001 - viewed 564 times.)

PhysicsProf	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #67 on: 2014-10-27, 15:37:21 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Very interesting, GL -- but the seller states Quote does not ship to United States Any other seller for this generator?? EDIT: ships to US: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Hydroelectric-Water-Power-Micro-Hydro-Generator-Portable-Water-Machine-/111482504980?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19f4e00714#shpCntId « Last Edit: 2014-10-27, 16:55:32 by PhysicsProf »

Tommey Reed	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #68 on: 2014-10-27, 15:43:37 »
Group: Guest	Hi all, I have lots of experience in turbine and water pumps experiments. The problem using a water pump is GPM vs PSI= hp needed to drive the pump. formula is: PSIG * GPM/1714 =hp So if I have a pressure of say 1714 psi at 1 gpm that means I will need ((1714*1)/1714)= 1 hp or 746watts on power. The loss is converting this back to electrical power. This is one experiment that use 1 hp on a rim jet turbine I did a few years ago using 1hp pump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2L_PBGgHZw&list=UUp3mD3EJromKns3YpglKdpA Tom

Centraflow	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #69 on: 2014-10-27, 15:57:16 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: TinMan on 2014-10-27, 14:23:58 Here is my lucky score today. I found 3 units all up,but one hasn't been cleaned yet,and i don't think the MRS would like it on her kitchen table to much.These are the fisher&paykel smart drive motor's,and they make excellent generators.I managed to find 2x 60 series(1 on the left,and one still in the workshop) and lucky me also found 1x 40 series(one on the right,and pictured by itself) The 40 series also happens to be the one in best condition,but all 3 are in pretty good nick. The 40 series is the lower voltage,higher current model,and used in most wind turbine projects. They are all 3 phase in Y configuration. I think the 40 series would do the job just nicely in this setup. I also have a high pressure pump,and all is needed now is the pelton wheel itself. Washing machine direct drive motors, NICE regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Grumage	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #70 on: 2014-10-27, 16:10:41 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 2765	Quote from: Tommey Reed on 2014-10-27, 15:43:37 Hi all, I have lots of experience in turbine and water pumps experiments. The problem using a water pump is GPM vs PSI= hp needed to drive the pump. formula is: PSIG * GPM/1714 =hp So if I have a pressure of say 1714 psi at 1 gpm that means I will need ((1714*1)/1714)= 1 hp or 746watts on power. The loss is converting this back to electrical power. This is one experiment that use 1 hp on a rim jet turbine I did a few years ago using 1hp pump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2L_PBGgHZw&list=UUp3mD3EJromKns3YpglKdpA Tom Dear Tom. With respect, your video is the complete reverse of what may be happening in the GDS unit !! I think it represents a better engineered version of James Hardy's set up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGpXA6qhH_Q However if you look closely at time signature 5.01 the Alternator that is attached to the Pelton wheel is not turning although the unit is running?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg Cheers Grum. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Tommey Reed	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #71 on: 2014-10-27, 16:38:36 »
Group: Guest	Hi Grum, I know James Hardy set up, in fact I have the torpedo pump he used that cost around $400.00 for a 10,000GPH. I also know the numbers when calculating the psi and water jet size was not enough to keep it running, so most likely the batteries are where the output of energy is on this system. I believe that this is a simple inverter that will drain the batteries in due time under load. He did say it would run for a few hours, but he also claim water is added that could be using James Hardy basic design. I could be wrong, but I believe the magic is in the details that he won't say. Does he have a patent, if so has anyone look it up? I will be doing a project like this to test my theories, I have all the parts. Tom

Centraflow	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #72 on: 2014-10-27, 16:46:46 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Tommey Reed on 2014-10-27, 15:43:37 Hi all, I have lots of experience in turbine and water pumps experiments. The problem using a water pump is GPM vs PSI= hp needed to drive the pump. formula is: PSIG * GPM/1714 =hp So if I have a pressure of say 1714 psi at 1 gpm that means I will need ((1714*1)/1714)= 1 hp or 746watts on power. The loss is converting this back to electrical power. This is one experiment that use 1 hp on a rim jet turbine I did a few years ago using 1hp pump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2L_PBGgHZw&list=UUp3mD3EJromKns3YpglKdpA Tom 1714 PSI NASA we have lift off 120psi (8.25bar)@5ltr/min+- for that PMA would create 4kw @ 240v giving a rough area to the total impact area of the wheel. As Grum has said, you are going in reverse, and NO it is not the same, you have to take in impact area as part of the equation, and in our case also diameter of the wheel to get RPM. It is not so straight forward as you put it regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Tommey Reed	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #73 on: 2014-10-27, 16:55:04 »
Group: Guest	Hi Mike, I have work to do, but when I get back I will have to show you how wrong you are dealing with water pressure thrust and energy produce. This is basic on water rocket math, so yes Nasa stuff. Tom

e2matrix	Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water « Reply #74 on: 2014-10-27, 17:07:35 »
Sr. Member Posts: 345	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2014-10-26, 22:59:22 PS -- Tinman is right = let's just buy one, test it, return for refund if we don't like it. I mean, a guy could fly up there, test it in his motel room? Toronto, right? is there a street address? I think I can spring for $3K right now... for the gds 3000, yes. Proof of principle is what I seek (first). Been saving sheckels. Chet keep that in mind. PS - lotsa fun if it works, but hey, why not take the trip? PS2 - Sterling's PESN article is likely to generate a LOT of calls to gds this coming few days... Steve, I'd hold off on any purchases on this. Some time ago I observed a long drawn out battle with a group of people who had prepaid for a lot of expensive items from a guy in Canada. He took the money and ran and they tried getting a lawyer involved to recover some money but it never did go anywhere. Beside that my own feeling is this is big SCAM but it might at least be worth taking a trip to look at it. I'm not sure member AllCanadian is close by but I know he's in Canada. I haven't seen him around the forums lately but maybe someone can PM him here or on energetic forum where I last saw him.

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