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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #25 on: 2010-05-16, 22:47:09 »
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According to research at the LHC nothing can travel faster than c. They have recorded a lifetime of a particle to exist 30 times longer than normal at 99.99% of c during tests. As a result the time frame is slowed down that much that 1 hour at this speed would be seen as many times longer in our time as observers. This info is reported by Stephen Hawkin as a means for travelling massive stellar  distances.  The required energy is enormous. If this is correct then the vehicles passengers would return home after a few years excursion to find a century has passed at home. Its a one way trip and a very good way for a large financial investment! lol.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #26 on: 2010-05-17, 04:24:41 »
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Quote from: szaxx on 2010-05-16, 22:47:09
Hi,
According to research at the LHC nothing can travel faster than c. They have recorded a lifetime of a particle to exist 30 times longer than normal at 99.99% of c during tests.

I've always been curious about how they single out a particle and watch it travel. Did they find a way around the double slot problem or are they grabbing the little buggers by the wings and marking their backs with a spot of paint?

Maybe they finally realized corpuscular theory is old-hat and they are actually reporting on spin-waves travelling from A to B?
 
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #27 on: 2010-05-17, 07:12:19 »
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The picture shown as the words emanated was the typical collision shot of a mix of straight lines and spirals. The particular particle has a life of nano seconds which is constant in most conditions. Ive never heard its name before and didnt remember it either. They must keep their integrity in the box as the higher you get in the hierarchical ladder the less postulates are allowed. If you are really guessing at a theory and its disproved then telling an underdog to state it, automatically gives you the right to be the first one to roast him.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #28 on: 2010-05-28, 17:26:21 »

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If nothing moved relative to anything else, then time would not be meaningful as nothing is changing and it would be like suspended animation.

So, time is "change" relative to something else.  Many constants that we rely on are only constants as long as a list of parameters doesn't change.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #29 on: 2010-05-28, 18:38:34 »
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So, as the watch slowed and the light around it shifted toward red the watch and the relected light from it and the space surrounding it was travelling away aproaching the speed of light. Or, the coil and everything surrounding the coil was travelling away from the watch approaching the speed of light.

Easier to think space was expanding. Then the watch snapping to current time upon shutdown was space relaxing back to original size.

Ill agree with Einstein being wrong or the watch should have indicated the lost time upon shutdown.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #30 on: 2010-05-28, 19:03:44 »

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Time is just a measured rate of change in regard to a reference.


Take a watch for example, it is designed to move the hands at a certain rate and the rate is fairly constant as long as the environment of the watch doesn't change.  Change temperature from 72 degrees F to -30 degrees F and the rate of change of the watch is altered, but the rate of change of the events being measured by the watch may keep going at the same rate as when the temperature of the watch was 72 degrees F.  Here the reference has changed, but not the rate of change of everything else.

Regarding time travel:

1.  How can you travel to the past if it is not recorded and therefore no longer exists?
2.  How can you travel to the future when you can not increase the rate of change for the entire universe?  If you alter your rate of change,
     like putting yourself in suspended animation for 100 years, the rest of the universe keeps changing at it's own rate.  You still existed for the
     100 years that it takes everything else to change even though you didn't change.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #31 on: 2010-05-28, 22:09:38 »
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Temperarure is measured on earth at 20 centigrade or so as standard and light travels at c(1).
In space the temp excluding solar effects is at 4 Kelvin so its a tad colder. If c(2) in space is equal to c(1) then does the temp apply? I think at 0 kelvin this could be interesting.

The other comment on expanding magnetic fields, How do we interpret the RE effect with this. Assuming the energy supplied is utilised instantly so that magnetic maximum velocity is reached and these RE effects are then the result or effect of a slow decay?
It may go towards the stinging effects as matter and energy are related. The generation of charge on metallic objects too. The possible damage to life as the early DC generators were occasionally doing when switched on-line.
Could this be the missing link to OU as the decay normally follows an inverse square law or similar?
The decay is accepted in this way as standard so bend the physics around it to fit and if something doesn't then discussion is not allowed. The rules have already been made.......sounds so familiar...

Keep going its gettin' interestin'
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #32 on: 2010-05-29, 00:40:58 »
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Quote from: Ken on 2010-05-28, 20:19:14
WW,

I agree. Why did the watch in that experiment snap back? Would the man in the ship snap back and age 50 years in a short time once back on earth?


Indeed! If he travelled approaching c for too long he would turn into a pile of dust during deceleration!

Here is more food for thought, along the lines of temperature and space expansion/compression.... the watch experiment included a rapidly falling ambient temperature. Temperature close to the experiment dropped 13 degrees C over three minutes (lab time  ;)).

If space was expanding then it would be expected to suck local heat energy. I don't recall if the experiment included a sharp temperature increase upon shutdown.

Fluid dynamics? That is the only way to think of it.  :D

A magnetic field could just be nothing more than the wake left by moving charge. Good reason for the magnetic flux to vary in intensity perpendicular to a moving charge. That would explain why an electrostatic charge has no magnetic field unless you move it very fast.

Aether isn't something occupying space. It IS space!

Mass is nothing more than a knot or bunch in the fabric. The only difference between energy and mass is the spin rate......

OK. It is beer-time (don't have any so I'll just pet the dog and beat the wife... maybe the other way around  ;D )



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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #33 on: 2010-05-29, 03:31:09 »
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Quote from: Ken on 2010-05-29, 02:50:52
I think I may go get beer. You seem to be a bad influence. What is the speed of Bud Light?

Normally Bud Light is incredibly slow. There is no apparent movement.

Then my brother-in-law shows up and it moves so fast it warps beyond the sound barrier.

No theory needed for that problem  >:(
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #34 on: 2010-05-29, 13:26:54 »
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Ken I agree theres too much unknown and too many telling us all how it is.
Theres the magnetic tubes to consider too from the turn of the century as these didnt fit in they have been ignored....crandall and others similar not included...lol
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #35 on: 2010-05-30, 00:32:22 »
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Baptist? No. I don't think the Church would last long if he set foot into it.

szaxx,

Any sources I can read on magnetic tubes? I haven't heard about these. I'm sure they aren't the ones you'll find on Google.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #36 on: 2010-05-30, 03:34:56 »
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Not warp, expansion/contraction.

Warp would be folding space.

If you enter space of a different density, your density would change with the space you now occupy. Your view of things wouldn't change, including local time. Local time would always be the same for you.

I suspect if you could look back into your past position, low density space, the light travelling from there would take longer to reach your eyes (redshift). Perhaps you would also sense a drop in temperature at the opening to low density space. Who knows?

Maybe that is why the watch snapped back into sync with the control. It was never out of sync. Only the light reflecting from it was slow due to expanded space within the coil.

OMG! It sounds like I've been riding in a type 40 Tardis!

The universe isn't expanding due to momentum. Space is expanding. There is no Dark Matter or Dark Energy. Instead of throwing in those fudge factors call it what it is - Expanding Space, and I DON'T MEAN distance between two or more points. The canvas is growing and so is everything on it.

Hehehe.... need to catch a ride to outside the universe so I can discover the universal, ever increasing redshift from everything.

If I turn to dust when I open the ship hatch you'll know I was correct  :D
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #37 on: 2010-05-30, 22:43:44 »
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@WW
 
   Here is one of the files, Ive not read this one and will do so  then find the others... a different computer so hopefully....
[pdf]http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/sb_docs/sb_4.pdf[/pdf]


Steve
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #38 on: 2010-05-31, 06:05:49 »
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Last I heard, since the creation of Homeland Security, that job was moved back to Ft. Meade and is now called OOIC (Office of Information Correction).
 
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #39 on: 2010-05-31, 15:10:01 »
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #40 on: 2010-05-31, 18:02:42 »

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Paaleease, don't start this conspiracy and anti-American BS at this site too, if you want to be idiots please go do it at one of the idiot sites set up for it, but not here! I beg you!  This is an Energy site - not a Bash America site and I won't take it.


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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #41 on: 2010-05-31, 21:59:22 »
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Want me to send my brother in law your way?
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #42 on: 2010-06-01, 00:47:49 »

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Ken,
  I am not for propaganda!  I am against all propaganda for and against, you I feel are giving me propaganda on 9/11.  If you do not realize that 9/11 was committed by one organization, ISLAM, you have not been keeping up on things.  Where  do you think the propaganda you are talking is comming from?  If you knew more then you do about Islam you would not be saying the things that you do because these facts are springing from the same well that brought you 9/11.  I know it is tough for most of you out there, but you really must do more reading on Islam.  And yes there are bad people everywhere, America certainly does not have a monopoly on that but when I look at some of the baddies in other country's, no thank you I'll keep my American baddies.  As bad as we are we have never let the world down, our men and women have fought and died to protect freedom all over the world.  Freedom of speech, freedom of conscience.  We have givin of ourselves and our help freely and with no strings attached, we are the first responders in times of tragedy and natural calamity.  We have given Trillion of dollars to most countrys on earth to try and raise the standard of living, where the heck would the world be without America?  Now all the things America stands for are being mocked and called a crock, take a good look  around you and see what is truly a crock.  A few bad leaders and the world is ready to throw America under the bus.  We the people of America are still good people we haven't changed, yea we may have some bad leaders but then look at what the rest of the world has for leaders, make ours look like geniuses.
   I just don't think this is the place to be discussing this stuff what does this all have to do with Energy?  ;D  If I'm supposed to hang my head in shame because I'm an American at this forum then I probably won't be here long.  :-\


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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #43 on: 2010-06-01, 11:21:41 »
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We should center our efforts on free energy.

How about a method or device which collects the energy of elevated blood pressure, respiration, perspiration, urine and flatulence?

To promote energy levels we could feed individuals with a reality full of anger and stress causing data, true or not, it doesn't matter. Bringing the system into highest efficiency would just be a matter of providing input that promotes maximum output. For maximum stress output at the physical level, I volunteer my wife's cooking. The result of every recipe is a translucent lumpy slime.

One problem, folks would get tired of it and try to leave. We could prohibit the freedom of the physical self but we'll have to work on the intellectual portion.

Any ideas?
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #44 on: 2010-06-01, 17:23:19 »
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A top American doctor created a chamber in which the patient is subjected to 'scalar' waves. This leaves the patient with lower levels of toxins and a calm intellectual insight in life. It also heals the mind from irrational and war mongering thoughts as a solution to problematic disagreements.
Maybe if there was a massive one in the space station there would be peace.
Its a bad apple that does the damage and once removed from service the errors are histoy.
Thing is it is an AMERICAN doctor one of the good guys you rarely hear about. Depression sells and gets noticed. Good will overcome evil if we all do our bit. So for a few  baddies hyped from thenews remember them and leave them to their self destruction. We here share a common interest so lets do it!
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #45 on: 2010-06-01, 21:36:08 »
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Great but theres still the brainwashed by religion.........
 Dont go to the NWO thing its baaad.
A spiritual sensitivity is also needed in this world generally....we seen the film Avatar...they got it right  a conceptual positive connectivity.
mmmmmm sounds good but a little crackpot in reality..lol.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #46 on: 2010-06-01, 23:29:30 »
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We should center our efforts on free energy.

How about a method or device which collects the energy of elevated blood pressure, respiration, perspiration, urine and flatulence?

To promote energy levels we could feed individuals with a reality full of anger and stress causing data, true or not, it doesn't matter. Bringing the system into highest efficiency would just be a matter of providing input that promotes maximum output. For maximum stress output at the physical level, I volunteer my wife's cooking. The result of every recipe is a translucent lumpy slime.

One problem, folks would get tired of it and try to leave. We could prohibit the freedom of the physical self but we'll have to work on the intellectual portion.

Any ideas?



LOL WW. 

It would be so nice to get this thread back on topic.  Really interesting stuff.     
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #47 on: 2010-06-02, 23:38:35 »
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@Ken
You mentioned six coils in an arrangement. You must account for more than three dimensions with them as the 'in and out' addition to the three dimensions we accept as space may be another element required. Time not included here. Im still trying to obtain more data on an experiment from 1994 (Norm W) utilising a pair of nested tetrahedrons. I could email for help as I may be successful in this approach. If I obtain a response it will help in other interests too. There exists harmonic relationships and ONE key frequency to work from. This I know has come up before in other areas but the experiment was not for OU but should be very interesting as a reverse idea for it. As ether compression and 'extra' energy imho are a cause and effect reaction. There must exist a possibility as six coils keeps recurring in my endeavours for the answer.
one day the answer will come, its what to do with it when found?
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #48 on: 2010-06-03, 01:09:38 »
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Jeez!
Forget the beer. You folks get together and send me a wave-packet of what you are smokin'.

Light is a particle? Light is a wave?
Light is a wave-packet?

My opinions of time, space, aether and light haven't changed.

It is all spin and frequency of spin.

Not more or less.

Light can't escape a black hole, not due to gravity, but due to us not being able to wait long enough to see it escape.
   
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Re: c as Unity? « Reply #49 on: 2010-06-03, 22:45:45 »
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I don't think our disagreement is complete.

Try this on for size:

The actual consist of a black-hole:

An expansion of space beyond our perceivable dimensions.

The shape, as viewed from the perception of an outside viewer capable of perceiving >3 dimensions:

Spherical. The only current view possible, via any part of the spectrum, is similar to a full solar eclipse. It would look the same from any viewing angle.
We would, wrongly, call the precipice an accretion disc. It only looks like a disc by us.
Any claims of finding a black-hole by using theorized light bending will find the light does bend but there is an added bonus. There is a red-shift. The closer to the center of the hole the greater the shift to red and beyond.

The process:

Equalization of energy and pressure. The operation is more by balancing of energy and suction and almost nothing major happens due to gravity.

What does it look like from the space inside the black-hole?

The same as our universe looks to us. There are an almost unlimited number of entry points from other spaces. The very first opening may be called "The Big Bang".
Our space would appear to expand from that point but seem to shift in unexplainable directions or even spiral away from that first opening. This would be due to other openings, later.

Light inside the black-hole, has the same velocity as the light outside. The problem is, the velocity is in the frame of the observer inside the black-hole. From our view, it would move at a much slower velocity due to the ever expanding space it occupies. The only indication we would have of 'light' or any other energy being emitted by a black-hole is down-shift in frequency. The more it shifts downward the faster the inside of the black-hole is expanding.

Particle? Sorry, that makes me laugh  :)

Light is exactly the same as all other movement of energy,whether it is electromagnetic or not. One factor is longitudinal, the other is transverse. Wave-packet, particle, wave.... What we call a particle is the longitudinal portion of moving energy. What we call the wave portion is the transverse part. The only close description we have is the wave-packet. At least somebody realized both are facets of one thing.

How we see that moving energy is rooted in our reference frame, compared to that of the moving energy, the velocity of approach and the media which it travels.

I'm done for awhile, my head hurts  :D


 
   
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