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spit the pips out of this! this was plan B
There are many on this forum I'm quite sure who have built COP>1 machines .. In fact I know there are , I hate to sound blasé but I tire of them a little , and I see quite clearly that most of you are not interested in the old machines .. regardless of if they are shown to work or not. and really I've only had little flashes of success!. still who could ask for anything more?  Of course some insist it cant work , perhaps in the hope that their particular machine might have some merit when the madness stops  .. if it ever does, and earn some dollars. Its not going to happen is it?
Its a forlorn hope as Mike said .. I'm been well and truly screwed ! ;D happy new year !
OK here's the proposition , Lets build the simplest .. cheapest .. most powerful .. free standing power unit . I can see how to do it I think anyway read though the proposition  .. but there are ( like everyone I'm sure) bits of technology I know nothing about .. I cant write any sort of computer code for instance, I'm on not very firm ground with phase locked loops and feed back control systems . But I do know it can be done and probably on something the size of a matchbox for all I know. Maybe one of these arduino things people seem to be playing might do it all for I know!
You see I'm really a heavy power guy but with some radio and electronics training but its dated . Still I can see how most of these machines work . And of course “a fevered brow can know no rest”
The mind starts making it … better, faster, smaller , cheaper  I have it as far as I can go without help
Jean PM'd me and said she'd have a go at the programming, if one or two electronics guys would like to step in too I guess here a perhaps 5 KW free standing  unit which is solid state can be made for about $40. But like I say I can only point out the how it works … why it works and what has to be done to keep it 'on song' I need serious help with the control loop. the basics you can easily test .. either a lead acid battery will charge with magnetic current ...or it wont.

This really concerns Lead acid batteries or to be more correct every single free energy machine or patent you ever looked at that was connected to a lead acid battery .In other words the answer to hundreds of machines. You see everybody seems to carefully read what Tesla says and then ignore the key points … peculiar . You must consider the whole circuit .  No body does. They go off into the garage and bash and bang and make all sorts of contraptions .. I know I've made rather to many myself … ;D connect it to their battery. Mostly Its a failure of course .. just now and again a glimpse of success perhaps . Little do they stop for one minute to consider the battery might be just might be the miracle machine. And the burst of brilliance was nothing to do with their masterpiece . Well I'm afraid It seems to me that's exactly the case .  
Impress into your head that whatever else is being asked of that battery you are asking it to supply a load whilst remaining full charged . It can and it does, but its very rare and you have to do some very special things to make sure it keeps doing it.
Jean asked what the 3BGS was when I mentioned it .. just another battery system one of those epics 100 odd page things that trundles on and on ad infinitum but now and again almost by accident ... the machines would go off .... wow did they, This really then is about how and why and can it be controlled. It is not about if it can or cant it read through that thread (as much as you can stick anyway) a few pages should do it  ;D and you'll see it done time and time again . Its about how and why I think it worked and what can be done to make it keep working, and as you'll see I don't think its anything to do with motors. (apart from impulse)
 
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system.html#post180456

It caught my Interest for a while , Indeed I have commented on it recently  I can't prevail, that its nothing to do with the the hundreds of motors and paraphernalia that goes with I could not make them understand Its perhaps to painful I don't know ..I got so frustrated I directly told one of the main contributors who I know and have met personally that he must be an agent … ah well that's frustration. :( It didn't go down well I'm afraid , with out the baggage I'm sure I can move better here.
First I would like you to try and grasp that there is a totally different sort of electricity running alongside the electricity you are used to. Your instruments don't see it and for the most part you are unaware of it.
Where's it hiding and how was it hidden ? It was hidden many years ago possibly thousands for all I know one of the main conspirators in the modern age is Einstein . The E =MC2  Chappie , he and a co conspirator Lorentz wrote a piece of fiction that has had the dog chasing its own tail for years . Its called  'the Lorentz force law'  so lets have a quick look at what forces are involved in any electricity, first there is this one .. electrostatic force .. (which incidentally is the one your being kept away from)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlitL7u0FpU[/youtube]

It exists alight here's its pedigree all mapped out by coulomb

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefor.html

there is another another force involved in any electricity which you are probably much more familiar with the  electromagnetic force

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html

Now notice regarding the Lorentz/Einstein  force  law the two components . Vectored at 90deg to the electromagnetic force is of course the electromagnetic wave much better known to you as the radio wave I'm sure
Its acknowledged and we have lots of maths and theory on the electromagnetic wave

but what of its cousin the electro static component where's all the information maths and theory on its 90deg vectored component? Where is all the maths science and theory on the electrostatic wireless wave … missing .. gone .. omitted .. obfuscated .. why ? Can't you guess ? Suckers .

Wavewatcher  quote

Reactive power does no useful work in the electrical load and does not load the source.
All it takes to believe this are simple experiments and the ability to correctly interpret the results.


This is probably the most repeated 'OH! I've just discovered something NEW!' to be seen in these parts.

Wrong .. wrong … wrong  :-[ (I should hope so) ;D  Having said that of course your 99% correct and you know it! but wave watcher ;D its the exception that is really interesting and shows the way through the maze. It only needs one exception and the determination to exploit it and this game is over . And IMHO it is, but before you can help your going to have to prove this to yourself ..  ;D or pehaps dis prove it to me ! what I saw was pretty convincing though! I've been messing a long time and an iced battery In double quick time was new for me!
  
So here's the plan …. take a lead acid battery , feed a huge load with electromagnetic energy .. the stuff your used to … whilst at the same time recharging the battery with the electrostatic energy (that does not exist) .
Lets start with something controversial . I say .. In theory its quite possible to charge a lead acid battery using no power what so ever whilst breaking none of the known laws of physics. . ( perhaps a smidgen of power .. poetic licence ya know) but you'll get it back in spades.

First Maxwell’s laws as pertaining to a lead acid battery tells you quite clearly that the charge of the battery is simply dependant on amps and hours .  You don't buy a 5KW/h battery do you?
Of course not you buy a 100 amp/hr battery … It will deliver 1 amp for 100 hrs or 50 amps for 2 hours and it charges in much the same way.

Now before I can move on I need you to confirm for yourself s either by experiment or by sheer weight of evidence that this statement I make here is correct . If you do the capacitance charging near resonance experiment  you'll know it is .. (if don't blow yourself up)
the statement … its a bit scary ,, I thought was a bit of an understatement .... old knackered totally sulphate battery .. straight on the grid ?? :o
The battery requires Amps and Time, you'll find the battery will charge regardless  if those amps are part of the “real power component or if those amps are 'Reactive 'so to enlarge I am suggesting to you that if you can hold a lead acid battery in a state of series resonance or near to it ..where the current is at a maximum and the voltage negligible  the battery will charge very quickly using minimal in fact virtually no power .. because power =VI cos θ is approaching zero
that is cos θ is approaching zero and   θ is approaching 90deg.

I have now seen this effect many times .. Its very difficult to hold because of course the battery conditions change very quickly, with load and charge state,
This is what I did that convinced me .. this passage  

When you hear the sulfate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening. From this web page is quite true .. kind of scary might be an understatement

http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UsV_G_trTUI

a talented youngster holding a battery in resonance

[youtube]
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idLeJSDRSGs[/youtube]

 This is Igor running a Royer oscillator which being zero point switching gets closer than most to holding resonance with a feed back to source.

Now as I try and post the links and research work I did earlier on this subject I find them decimated  like this

Pulse charging can bring lead-acid batteries from 0 to 80% in 15 minutes and from 0 to .... and increase the Q giving you an unmistakable resonance point.
You've visited this page many times. Last visit: 01/01/14

If you got to that site you'll find its been decimated .. It that fashion that we know so well . However some time ago I put it on my hard drive … I have found it. Transferred it to a PDF and then hosted it. I put the link here because I would like you to read it ! regardless of what you may think of my scribble I suggest you save this PDF tptb don't like it all !

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery pulse charger.pdf

This Radio Ham has got very close . Had he actually managed to keep the impulse on that battery tracking the series resonant point the game would be all over !
The thing is you cannot see the series resonant reaction it would be rather like me wishing to see current . No can do! You can however see and monitor the parallel resonant state of things. In fact here is a pretty poor video of me doing exactly that a year or so ago
[youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwMCs1gO2o8 [/youtube]


of course much water under the bridge since then ! Although still essentially correct. I can add considerably to this … first the battery resonant state alters to the x6 F pattern as pointed out by MJN . The battery charges extremely quickly on the impulse wave … in fact as I say on the video I watched the terminal post ice up on one . The battery resonant cascade I have followed up to 3Mhz
which is the limit of my FG. I have little doubt its actually doing what Marcus Ried says here

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-wzLhzBH3Y[/youtube]

so to put this in a nut shell … you can see and monitor a parallel resonant point .. (not a clue how to do that, but I guess its doable)   phase locked loop .. scanning whatever , however its actually series resonance that’s required in order to charge the battery with Magnetic current.
So what’s the relationship between parallel resonance and series resonance ?  The formulas are the same , but the velocity is different by Pi/2 as explained by EPD here

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc[/youtube]

so that's in free space Its going to be different in a battery but still a linear relationship .
so here's the challenge to my mind ….constantly  inject and scan a a wave so the highest available parallel resonant point is known .  
Based on that return result change the wave form to an impulse based on the pi/2 relationship
is it do – able girls and boys ? .. or is it just to big an ask?
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There are many on this forum I'm quite sure who have built COP>1 machines .. In fact I know there are , I hate to sound blasé but I tire of them a little , and I see quite clearly that most of you are not interested in the old machines .. regardless of if they are shown to work or not. and really I've only had little flashes of success!. still who could ask for anything more?  Of course some insist it cant work , perhaps in the hope that their particular machine might have some merit when the madness stops  .. if it ever does, and earn some dollars. Its not going to happen is it?

It is doubtful that any man will ever build any machine
which is anything close in its efficiency to the lowly Ant.
Or the Bumblebee.  Or even ourselves.

We're constantly looking in the wrong places for the
"secrets."


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Hello Ducan,

Just few words. I still have not 'digested' your huge post.

I would be very happy with only 500 watts (or less). Just a nice " proof of concept and an "emergency" device.
That is all I need.

Yes!  It is impossible.. But  I'm a complete ass and as daft as a brush (like all the 'OU' guys). :-X

I do not want to get off the grid. It is the best way to be frowned upon by TPTB (TBTW?).
Is it not the top method?

I did not even know what "Phase Locked Loop (PLL) was.
You can measure the extend of my ignorance....
Apparently, it exist 2 types of this system:
An electronic one.
A software" one.

I'm, now, a little bit rusty (software-design-wise) but I guess that I'm still able to read (and understand)
a program and even to translate it in another 'computer- language'...
Googling "software PLL Arduino" seems to give some results.
So: Yes, I'm game!

All the Best,
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It is doubtful that any man will ever build any machine
which is anything close in its efficiency to the lowly Ant.
Or the Bumblebee.  Or even ourselves.

We're constantly looking in the wrong places for the
"secrets."

This has always amazed me, how little energy is input to living creatures vs. energy output.

Consider that water+oats+hay+ horse+oxygen= horsepower all day long.

At the end of the day what is the caloric value of the dried dung? I'm sure someone must have done this study.

Are we merely oxidation engines working on known chemistry or do we tap into some deeper energies?



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Well so as to not be sitting on my cold hands all day I decided it was time to try a little test with the capacitive charging idea in mind.   Taking my 1.5HP 3 phase motor I had previously used to light a 60 watt bulb off the other leg I decided to take that output and run it through a capacitor, FWBR and charge the battery that is running the inverter which is running the motor.   Looped.    Very inefficient Black and Decker 750 watt inverter I got at a garage sale for $10.   The 12 volt battery is quite small and light.  It's inside one of those cheap $20 emergency car starters.   From the size of the package and weight I'd guess it's probably around a 7AH maybe 12AH at most.   Most of the time I tried starting the motor it killed the inverter overloading it.   I was using a start cap of 60uf on the motor and trying to quickly switch to a 5uf run cap.   Once in a while I was able to catch it just right and the motor would continue to run.   When it did finally catch and keep running the battery started at 11.96 volts and went up from there to about 12.06 volts.   I let it run at least 5 minutes and it stayed right at 12.06 volts.   If I disconnected the output from the motor leg that was charging the battery the whole thing immediately quit.   On one longer run it did finally start to drop to 12.05 volts.   

Considering the inefficiency of that inverter I was quite surprised it kept running that long while losing no more voltage on the battery.  A watt meter on the motor input indicated it was pulling around 110 watts.   Very unscientific test but none the less I found it interesting.   The motor had good torque and I wondered if it was spinning an alternator if that might not have added enough power to the input to keep the battery charging up.   On another test I tried using another inverter.   Clip leads everywhere.   One must have gotten shorted as it went up in smoke and flames.   End of test for today LOL.   
   
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The Youtube button does not work.
Just try to post a message with:
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The 2 vids quoted in the Ducan's post were:
"Marcus Reid Crystal Converter Battery - Casimir Effect - Part 1"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-wzLhzBH3Y
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"Part 1 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBA"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc

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Right?
LOL = MDR (Mort de rire (Fr))... ;D

Positively, thanks to Ducan,  this 2014 year might be very interesting...

Cheers!,
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Well so as to not be sitting on my cold hands all day I decided it was time to try a little test with the capacitive charging idea in mind.   Taking my 1.5HP 3 phase motor I had previously used to light a 60 watt bulb off the other leg I decided to take that output and run it through a capacitor, FWBR and charge the battery that is running the inverter which is running the motor.   Looped.    Very inefficient Black and Decker 750 watt inverter I got at a garage sale for $10.   The 12 volt battery is quite small and light.  It's inside one of those cheap $20 emergency car starters.   From the size of the package and weight I'd guess it's probably around a 7AH maybe 12AH at most.   Most of the time I tried starting the motor it killed the inverter overloading it.   I was using a start cap of 60uf on the motor and trying to quickly switch to a 5uf run cap.   Once in a while I was able to catch it just right and the motor would continue to run.   When it did finally catch and keep running the battery started at 11.96 volts and went up from there to about 12.06 volts.   I let it run at least 5 minutes and it stayed right at 12.06 volts.   If I disconnected the output from the motor leg that was charging the battery the whole thing immediately quit.   On one longer run it did finally start to drop to 12.05 volts.   

Considering the inefficiency of that inverter I was quite surprised it kept running that long while losing no more voltage on the battery.  A watt meter on the motor input indicated it was pulling around 110 watts.   Very unscientific test but none the less I found it interesting.   The motor had good torque and I wondered if it was spinning an alternator if that might not have added enough power to the input to keep the battery charging up.   On another test I tried using another inverter.   Clip leads everywhere.   One must have gotten shorted as it went up in smoke and flames.   End of test for today LOL.   

Dear e2matrix.

Quote " When it did finally catch and keep running the battery started at 11.96 volts and went up from there to about 12.06 volts.   I let it run at least 5 minutes and it stayed right at 12.06 volts.   If I disconnected the output from the motor leg that was charging the battery the whole thing immediately quit. " Unquote.

So If I read the above correctly you are suggesting the battery charge current was actually sustaining the motor ?? From that information alone it would surely give credence to the Chas Campbell system ??

I thank you for posting as I am about to put my rather better mechanical skills than electronic ones, with a stab at the above !!

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NerzhDishual yes that's basically the diagram except there is a 14uf 120 volt capacitor in series with the output from one of the legs of the 3 phase motor before it's connected to the FWBR.  Also the motor has a start cap of 60uf and is switched out once running for a 5uf cap.   All these values could probably be improved on - it's just what I had on hand.  

Grumage,  it's not really a Chas Campbell setup as his has a flywheel and even more importantly it's a motor running a separate generator.   I've just got one motor in this setup but since it's 3 phase I found the unused leg has power that I was originally using to light a 60 watt bulb (to roughly 4 or 5 times the brightness of it when plugged directly into 120VAC).   Diagram below shows a 60 watt bulb - now that's an inverter with a cap in series before the FWBR going back to the battery as NerzhDishual showed in his diagram.  

BTW I've been trying this with a Walmart Inverter but it does not seem to be working.   It can run the motor from the inverter off the battery but as soon as I hook up the other leg on the motor to the cap and FWBR to the battery everything stops.   I'm guessing there is something not isolated in this inverter that is isolated on the other one.   I've tried all combo's of polarities coming from the motor but no luck so far.   So if you can't get this to work it may be an inverter design issue.   
   
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Motor starter duty is extremely difficult for inverters (unless they are oversized) due to the high inrush current of the stalled rotor. They will trip out on overcurrent or severely limit power so that the motor does not have enough torque to start.



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Mmmm The calcium content of an egg & shell , and the calcium content of a new laid chick takes a bit of arguing away too!
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HI e2matrix it is Chas campbell (as you see it) its also the capacitor charging circuit ..  if you can bring what you have shown there as a 14uf capacitor to such a size that the circuit is series resonant .. the battery will stay fully charged whilst supplying the load. the trouble is you can't see series resonance. and its very sharp and changes quickly. 


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I would propose to make faster FWBR from 600V ultrafast diodes, and add a large capacitor to the battery in parallel. The you can test how long it could run solely on that capacitor after the motor got the final speed - just disconnect battery (using switch or by disconnecting cable)
It's very close to one of my planned circuits, but I will be using modified gasoline generator copuled to DC motor.
   
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i was about to post this on energetics .. still Its exactly what I describe earlier Its just from a slightly different view point physical rather than electrical .. I sorta watched were you as your going off track and have altered this accordingly

Don't consider the machines as anything to do with the equation at all, just focus on the battery . The humble Lead acid battery. It was said by Tesla you must consider the whole circuit .. and Its true so very true. Yet for years I have not been able to see what the man meant .
To cut straight to the chase .. we want to use lots of energy from a lead acid battery whilst at the same time keeping it fully charged  … Its as simple and as easy as that isn't it? What ever machine or contraption you connect to that battery you must at the same time be doing something else to it that makes sure its always fully charged. … after you get the hang of this you'll be able to see how every machine should work. (if I'm right of course)
The cause of battery discharge is you using volts x amps (power) x time (energy) and inside the battery itself the effect is sulphation, Normally you would reverse the process and charge the battery up again using Amps x hours   (in passing please note there is no volts )  Usually the power consumed  charging the battery is considerably more than can ever be obtained from it.
 Its a big loss situation . However there is another way to remove sulphation we can .. figuratively speaking . Shatter it . Of course I don't mean with a big hammer I mean at the molecular level
if it can be arranged that a frequency is hitting that battery that makes the whole thing resonant at the right frequency look what happens to the sulphate

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10lWpHyN0Ok[/youtube]

Its shattered using little or no energy what so ever ! The next thing I'd like you to think about is just what sort of wave is a sound wave?  Just think for a moment how your ear works  and for that matter how a loud speaker works … back ward and forwards right?  Hitting your ear drum  true?
Its a linear wave … That’s the wave that doesn't exist in electricity. Yeah right! Its the wave of Tesla Its the wave of his wireless and his electrical work .Now you know that sound is a linear wave look what sound is doing here.

[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w[/youtube]

now I stress this is only done by resonance and the linear wave , and that occurs in electric circuits when they are series resonant . So if you can simply feed the battery with the correct impulse at the resonant frequency the battery will remain fully charged regardless of what load you decide to apply. This is the state of play you see time and time again on the 3BGS thread … they have the right shape impulse , now and again they find the resonant frequency, huge amounts of power become available , The chemical composition of the battery changes  eventually the resonance point is lost and gone .. and the struggle starts all over again ,  But make no mistake the system does work Its just I have no programming skills and so I can't compose the code to control the loop it isn’t hard I simply don't know how.
Strangely it is one of the few bits of information that’s readily available or easily worked out regarding the impulse wave of Tesla  .. In fact here's EPD telling us exactly what the relationship is years ago

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc[/youtube]

pi/2  In other words although you can't see  impulse electricity with any instruments and you certainly cant measure it you know immediately that the impulse frequency needs to track the parallel resonant frequency .. which you can see .. by a factor of pi/2.
Research indicates that the lead acid battery however has a series of sympathetic resonant points obviously the higher up the chain you inject the resonant wave the more dramatic the response . I suspect that cascade is exactly what Marcus Reid describes here .. except of course its electrostatic waves. Not electromagnetic (you know them ones that don't exist)

[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-wzLhzBH3Y [/youtube]

So  I surmise Its quite possible to inject a battery with the correct impulse wave by scanning the battery with normal transverse electricity  through frequency ranges discovering the highest obtainable parallel resonant frequency
and then injecting the correct impulse frequency … which will be pi/2 related .. or at least a linear relationship near to pi/2 (pi/2 being in free space)

all the various machines are just irrelevent .. thats the nub of the whole thing ... show the battery thecorrect  impulse frequency to hold series resonance whilst conditions are changing .. you see why in could be Crème de la crème ?


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Dear Duncan and all.

Perhaps this puts Duncan's words in a nutshell !!

Enjoy !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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The acoustic axis of the ultrasound beam in these previous studies was parallel to the gravitational force, and the levitated objects were manipulated along the fixed axis (i.e. one-dimensionally) by controlling the phases or frequencies of bolted Langevin-type transducers. In the present study, we considered extended acoustic manipulation whereby millimetre-sized particles were levitated and moved three-dimensionally by localised ultrasonic standing waves, which were generated by ultrasonic phased arrays. Our manipulation system has two original features. One is the direction of the ultrasound beam, which is arbitrary because the force acting toward its centre is also utilised. The other is the manipulation principle by which a localised standing wave is generated at an arbitrary position and moved three-dimensionally by opposed and ultrasonic phased arrays.

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I would propose to make faster FWBR from 600V ultrafast diodes, and add a large capacitor to the battery in parallel. The you can test how long it could run solely on that capacitor after the motor got the final speed - just disconnect battery (using switch or by disconnecting cable)
It's very close to one of my planned circuits, but I will be using modified gasoline generator copuled to DC motor.

Yes I'm quite sure the FWBR I was using is slow and inefficient so I could try that.   I think though like Duncan is saying there may be something special happening in the LA batteries so I'm not sure caps would work.   Of course having seen and tried Lasersaber's joule ringer caps might have some interesting possibilities too.   
   
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Now I'm going to Ask Mike a big Favour which I think could advance this thread in leaps and bounds by basically me getting the hell off it for a while and letting him translate this a little bit ! ;D But first I need to write a post that is even more unintelligible than my usual daubs. ;D Which I doubt you'll understand  :'(.. don’t worry its not dementia
not yet at least. I am writing specifically to Mike and the reason It will seem “double dutch” to you is like Mike 'I knows a bit about radio' . And so I have been trained to see the picture of radio waves the same way he was at some stage. Even though its wrong .. (we have all been taught wrong by omision) I can use it as a spring board to correct the image of Mikes perception faster than most.
There is another major reason, and that is as you probably all know Mike built and tested a fracture unit some years ago and tried hard to broadcast the Information via energetics. I decided back then to attempt that build. For reasons I won't bother going into I decided to stop In fact if you check the dates you'll find I stopped posting for the best part of a year  .. quite frankly I had been hurt and was frighted. However despite not posting I continued  building at least to such a point as I could prove that the water fracture was not a myth . I knew It wasn't anyway but just call it stubborn if you want.
Of course I'm no chemist and I knew nothing of what to do with that odd gas. The point is there is a  connection between that process and what I describe here . Its tenuous and not easy to explain harder to prove (for me at least) But of course if I can make that connection here .. then because you'll have MJN on side .. This particular thread could fly very high very quickly. Whilst I struggle through the  unknowns of magnetics . You see every machine you strive to build uses the same force
In one form or another … There is nothing in particular that any machine you might have attempted has in particular that pertains .  In other words understand this and you'll see how every machine that was ever made works (if its not a red Herring of course)  So the first thing to try and grasp is this is not electricity , not in any shape you could possibly recognise . However it coexists with electricity and has this analogy … As Electricity is to Radio waves so Magnetic current is to  Electrostatic waves .  As radio itself is to electricity … so Tesla's wireless is to magnetic current.
And they all do follow some of the same rules. However everything’s rather like looking in a mirror or changing from a right hand drive car to a left hand drive car .. its all a little odd to start with.
Over on energetics I have found myself drifting off into this electrostatic dimension .. Its a disaster!
To use the analogy it is rather like going into a class room of electricians to try and deliver a half hour lecture on the Yagi-Uda array . Not only will they not understand they won't give a toss.
It is quite literally in a different dimension . The electrostatic wave unlike the feeble radio wave is extremely powerful It is that which can keep batteries fully charged regardless of what energy you might extract . However the example of Glass shattering is but a crude example of a physical explanation as I tried to pull you back on track .
OK mike to connect to your fracture system as best I might . You were transmitting two pure sine waves , (in so much as a sine wave can be pure as its a mathematical impossibility I state the obvious but I use it later)  
Your fracture system was basically transmission . And the picture you had formed in your head is understandably the Fourier series to wit F1 + F2    results F1 ,F2, F1 + F2, F1 -F2
and so on ad infinitum .away into infinity

There is no absolute scale of size in the Universe, for it is boundless towards the great and also boundless towards the small.

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 . Kind of like a giant V made up of harmonics and something stretching away into the never never , (before I go much further ..historic research unearthed a connection between Fourier and a satanic sect . Which caused me to have a very hard think about his work)
where is the impulse wave in his work Mike ?  He must (In fact he did ) know all about it whys it all missing?
I then considered what infinity might mean as regards the sine waves happily intertwining their way off toward it... yeah well a troubled mind can know no rest!
So what does the area under a sine wave represent ? Power .. ( think peak envelope power) whatever ,, its still power . And It can be considered to be diminishing to its ultimate state of 'no power' at infinity .
or to be more correct to transform into another sort of power as (energy cannot be destroyed  ect ect)
then what shape might the wave form be as the sine wave diminishes?
Now picture the graph which must represent nothing .. no power ( or very nearly so ) where would the last remnant of this particular energy be before it was all transformed into another? At a point you see as infinity and very importantly what shape ?
It obviously has to be a straight line hard against one of the axis of the graph, the event is time related … so the last imaginary view we have is an very short duration pulse of huge magnitude at zero time . The conclusion for me at least is transformed energy has a natural state of an impulse and its abode at least on a four quadrant graph is in a different dimension .

Another way to arrive at the same conclusion
If you have ever been so pot less as to have built a signal generator mike you'll know a pure sine wave is your first ambition, The mathematics telling us that every other conceivable waveform is encompassed by the sine wave .. the issue is being bandied about here . Notice Mike that the theoretical outcome of an infinite number of sine waves is a square wave
  
http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/huxkb/are_all_waveforms_made_up_of_sine_waves/

And that of course is exactly what your fracture unite was ultimately producing ..an infinite number of sine waves transforming to a different energy in a different dimension. one axis of which we perceive as time. This again confirms the impulse wave .
Every time the sine waves heterodyne more of their fundamental make up is transformed to a square wave and ultimately to an Impulse before becoming totally lost to our dimension by transformation.
Instruments give no indication and you are not encouraged to consider this scenario never the less the mathematics of trig functions indicate it is so. Of course Mike In every respect I am skating right up to the edge here considering only the infinite the infinitesimal and chaos, places where no rational mathematician or scientist dares to dwell. But of course that’s where the answer must be or else sharper pencils than mine would have jabbed it with their point long ago.
As I explained earlier Mike I have no need of pages of waffle only to know what is true or at least a very strong likelihood I have seen it , I'm quite sure you have now I don't Intend that we bide long crossing this quagmire in Mordor I think we'll  rush through the gates whilst we may and get back on solid ground

one does not simply walk into Mordor. Its black gates are guarded by more than just Orcs...

This analogy  also holds good to the Radio wave and the electrostatic wave Mike .. The reception of a radio wave is essentially the reverse of transmission..

so now rather than transmitting two sine waves which results in one impulse wave at infinity (ergo a different dimension) you now inject an impulse in order to attract the two infinite legs of the afore mentioned V . The one leg we are not particularly interested in at all .. Its incidental the Fourier  harmonic progression . You know all about that one Mike .. you engineered on it . However its effectively only 'a marker' for the other leg of the V the one that’s hidden … the one with all the power .. the one that's charging batteries!  The linear wave

Consider this Mike  the Fourier progression what were you engineering to ? The sine wave of course and Harmonics , Harmonics are all natures even  numbers so what pray does your god  (whoever he or she may be) use for odd numbers when playing bingo ? Key of the door .. oh shit ?
I think you know Mike .. exactly what I must say .. Its overtones!!!
electricity is also so divided except you regard one leg as EMF and the other as back EMF
but I digress , … the x6F that you used as a separation now becomes a starting point . Nature can chose her number base just as she wishes . Our number one is her number six  Its where the point of the V starts in this dimension and the point where transform can occur from another.  
So whilst you calculated the harmonics Mike the next question is what were the impulse overtones doing which we have no inkling of because they have been hidden from us? Here is the overtone progression here is the chain of odds that are missing  .. 3rd … 9th...  15th..21st...27th.. ad infinitum

“So, naturalists observe, a flea - Hath smaller fleas that on him prey; And these have smaller still to bite 'em; And so proceed ad infinitum” Dean Swift

Its observed mike in crystal tuning and electrical power lines that the overtone sequence is cumulative at resonance .. If you haven't seen it yet I have seriously under estimated you, but the significance of this statement by Tesla should become obvious where . your transmission reversed .

"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe." Nikola Tesla

what then pray is the velocity of the impulse wave ? The speed of light is 186000 miles /sec  it is a wave and the Aether which now comes into being is its transport.. The quickest way from A to B is a straight line not up and down like Tennyson's babbling brook With many a curve my banks I fret

 so 18600 x Pi/2 =292000 miles/sec
which of course queers the pitch when you try to do straight conversion on an impulse frequency. :(

Now one of the questions that came to Mind Mike was obviously could I simply inject your x6F separated frequencies and would that save having to track battery resonance ?
I built this in an old video case to try the proposition with a dirt cheap Chinese Linsley-Hood DIY kit
stuck on the end those are ICL8038  of course x6f apart switched and variable at the time.
and pumped it straight into a battery .. de coupled of course , remarkable result I thought but not stable needs a better loop of some sort .. like I said mike not my field I just wanted to know !
If my view's considered at all .. Its as I said  Crème de la crème but guys who  are not vision handicapped  are  going to have to get stuck into it                      



I've pulled a few bits off it now for further messing about but I'll send you the bits if you want to confirm it yourself . You see the junk I work with work with mike     at least you have decent equipment  ;D ;D !


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Duncan, you are going to have to give me time to digest your post :D then tell me exactly what you want me to do :-\ I will do what I can within my limits and time :)

Is it a sharp intake of breath time :-\ do I need to pour myself a large G & T ;) or buy myself a large bottle of asprin ???

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Hi CentralFlow,
Yes, I agree, digesting Ducan's posts takes time, especially if English is not your native language. :'(
If, in addition, you just only consult all the quoted document and watch all the videos, this is a never ending process, as Duncan keeps on posting new stuffs. :-[

Now, I'm more aware of what a PLL (Phase Locked Loop) is.
In the falstad.com "Circuit Simulator", there is some examples and I also have found
a software version for Arduino.
So, for me too, Duncan "tell me exactly what you want me to do, I will do what I can within my limits and time". :)
Meilleurs sentiments,
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Don't worry guys the writing will dry up quickly enough when my metal arrives ! The winding handle will be turning ! Mike just let that cook a little bit .. It will suddenly snap into place,
Oh Jean .. don't worry and stress to much .. there may be a very much simpler way that I just haven't
seen . In fact here's a rough outline of one straight off the cuff as I'm writing . Which I'll include
when pulse charged .. (that is capacitive charged) batteries hit resonance they take off like a rocket huge amounts of power become instantly available. Even from a heavily sulphated battery unused for years. They are very quickly rejuvenated. Now I don't recommend you do this because once you start to comprehend what the impulse wave is (and this guy hasn't) .. and where it lives. And fully comprehend what this guy is doing .. its madness. Still his claim is so outrageous I had to try it.
This is his own phrase 

When you hear the sulfate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening.

from here  (don't plough through it I put only for those who wish to check)

http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UspFvvtrTUI


Tinkering about with something close to resonance ,straight across the grid,  madness I didn't find it 'kinda scary' I found it bloody terrifying . Does the battery charge with only reactive current ? .. yes.
It does do what the man Say's . It makes all the noise as he says ,(so did my rectum) It can charge huge banks of batteries
in minutes as he says here then is (perhaps) one possible crude control loop monitor and amplify battery acoustic noise level . Whilst scanning a wide range of input pulse frequencies, latch and hold the highest noise level. Repeat the operation as required.
In a sentence  what's wanted … a method to keep that battery in a series resonant condition (or as near as possible) regardless of changing conditions. Ergo as conditions change alter the frequency
or the capacitance as this guy is doing crudely by hand .. using a wattometer. Not so much me .. but with your help that can be done so very much better and safer . Not at  50 Hz but perhaps 3 Mhz or higher.
not at 250 v but perhaps 5 or 10 volts (its a reversing pulse its gender neutral anyway) it is only the frequency that is important very very important .   
It is only being able to monitor … series resonance and automatically adjust something to keep it 'on song' . Perhaps there's something in the Ham world that would adapt Mike … is there for instance something that can  automatically adjust the ATU as you change Bands ? That could work and be inverted to adjust to SWR infinity which is where this thing needs to be.
Could a Royer oscillator be changed in some way to track series resonance ? Or an Armstrong ?
So Its Really not much is it? Monitor series resonance  (somehow) form a control loop to alter .. (I presume) capacitance or frequency (some how) in order to keep the battery singing loudly !
I'm sorry I seem to beat around the bush Jean . Its not my ambition to ask people to do this or that with out understanding why .. (except for Farrah day of course who I suggested fly a kite with a copper wire tied to his tongue in a thunder storm to see if there really is COP>1)
 and what the ambition is and what theory it's based on . After all I might have just gone totally insane. Or be plain and simply wrong .. There is quite a lot of activity starting to support what I am saying on energetics .. however that's the magnetic approach and avoids trying to resolve this loop. Or even trying to explain it .
By bringing the resonance point into this dimension, Its easier for me to comprehend and see and try to explain .. This however IMHO is the better system much higher frequency  direct conversion but there is the loop missing,and I don't have any bright idea's to offer just yet I'm afraid . 


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Just one item which comes to thought is varicaps which are variable capacitance diodes, the problem maybe is that the capacitance is normally in the pf range, they are used nowadays as VCO's for tuning, it would be easy to design a system to follow voltage.

Just a thought 8)

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ah your warming to the subject as far as I could make out Mike and it would need better equipment than mine .. that resonant cascade goes on to infinity , I guess in theory the linear wave could be injected on any of the recurring sequences .. in fact the higher the better ... but I only tracked up to 3 MHz .. (the limit of my FG) and only with parallel resonance across a pretty discharged battery . Its not so much what to alter that defeats me with this thing Mike Its how to constantly determine the frequency of the resonant point . as conditions change . either parallel or series ...just got hold of the black smith ... not a pot washed ... nothing done yet :(


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Salve a Tutti,

OK Duncan, "a [automatic] method to keep that battery in a series resonant condition (or as near as possible)
regardless of changing conditions
".

The French Met Office have studied a (Russian, I guess) drifting buoy wind speed sensor based on the noise
provoked by the said wind in a mike. The results were not as accurate as a "normal" (mechanical) wind speed
sensor but  nevertheless pretty good.

So, your idea of monitoring the noise of the battery is indeed very creative. Meanwhile, this "sounds" a bit complicated, IMO. No?
It now exist a lot of different type of sensors.  It would "suffice" to find one and, perhaps, to "misuse" it. ???

Similarly, "a kite with a copper wire" could be cumbersome. I would suggest a more handy device:



 :D

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