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Intriguing stuff, Nerzh. thanks for the heads-up.
where is the main thread/discussion on this?

   
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Hi Prof. Jones,

I do not remember where I found this information on the OU dot Com Forum.
It was not in a specifically dedicated thread.

Frankly,  I have difficulties 'buying' this "effect".
So, it also works with these (in)famous Smart Meters?

I'm planing to order an analog grid meter. You can find brand new ones on Ebay.
This can be usefull for comparisons with 'Kill a watt' meters.

A French guy uses this analog meters +  a micro- controller +  a display to build an
analog/digital watt meter.

According to him, the 'precision' (= the discrepancy) between his setup and one (good)
oscilloscope is less  than 1% (0.7%) for a resistive load and about 2% with a non sinusoidal load
(a diode bridge + a cap +  a resistor).

The Vid. is here (in French, sorry ( but interesting however, IMO) ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL8DFqcFAOw
Compteur EDF [ démonté ] Fonctionnement / Utilisation en wattmètre.

Now, if you add:
This kind of device (analog meter + micro controller);
a good oscilloscope;
a Kill a watt;
You should be able to make precise measurements. Or Watt?

Meilleurs sentiments,
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Jean,
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I'm planing to order an analog grid meter. You can find brand new ones on Ebay.
This can be usefull for comparisons with 'Kill a watt' meters.

I got one from ebay some time ago -- and it is all wired in, near my electronics bench.

Luc is back! give him credit; kinda thought he sold out weeks ago, but he's back.

I followed it when an MOT was involved, now luc says you don't need an MOT,
which simplifies, but he is so cryptic/obscure to me. 
Can anyone help me figure out a schematic?
simple, he says.

http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/msg380317/#msg380317

and
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14576-reactive-generator-research-everyone-share-3.html#post247439

Interesting cryptic progress...
   
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Glad to see you here, Wings.  RU guys being deliberately cryptic?  its OK with me if that's what U choose.

OK, so RomeroUK uses an MOT again.

I would like to figure this out and try it, if I may contribute to understanding, how you and Luc are doing this without an MOT...  any pointers as to the circuit would be appreciated.  Gathering various big VAC caps now...
   
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Professor, i would steer you away from these kinds of experiments, nothing of much value besides steeling power from the grid and tricking meters.  We're better than that.
   
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PhysicsProf,

What Luc has shown is that it is possible to get power from a system without loading the prime mover.
He did use a motor connected to a generator. When he tap power from the generator by changing
the relationship between voltage and current by 90 degrees, then there was no load on the motor
when a output load was connected. He verified that by measuring the RPM on the motor. His research
has nothing to do with "steeling power from the grid and tricking meters", but instead showing that
we can get power from a system without loading the prime mover.

One way to avoid using the mains grid is by using a 12 Volt battery connected to a audio car amplifier.
The audio input can be any sinus signal from approx. 20Hz to 20KHz.

Added: Datasheet to a audio amplifier that is inexpensive and well suited for this task.

GL.
   

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
GL,

Has Luc demonstrated that he can obtain any significant power from his motor/generator setup? I have not seen it myself.

Luc is also claiming something "extraordinary" is going on by charging a battery through a capacitor stepped-down grid voltage. In all cases, Luc has not yet shown convincing evidence of anything extraordinary, imo.

Luc has a decent scope, but he refuses to use it in the manners I have suggested. Instead he relies on power meters that have been shown to be untrustworthy.


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.99,

Luc has demonstrated that the motor does not slow down when he connects a load(tuned) to
the generator. He did that by measuring the RPM of the system. He has never claimed any OU
or COP>1, as far as I know.

GL.
   

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
GL, I am aware of what Luc is doing. Yes, Luc connects a load and the generator only momentarily exhibits a decrease in rpm. You can clearly hear that.

But what is the average power he is drawing in that load? I have not seen him measure it (without his voltmeter), even though he has the capability with his scope.

If I have a 1Hp motor running with no load on it, and I lightly drag my finger on the shaft as it runs, am I drawing a load? Will there be a noticeable difference in the motor rpm?


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GL, I am aware of what Luc is doing. Yes, Luc connects a load and the generator only momentarily exhibits a decrease in rpm. You can clearly hear that.

But what is the average power he is drawing in that load? I have not seen him measure it (without his voltmeter), even though he has the capability with his scope.

If I have a 1Hp motor running with no load on it, and I lightly drag my finger on the shaft as it runs, am I drawing a load? Will there be a noticeable difference in the motor rpm?

.99,

I posted an idea in this thread here at OUR on the use of a audio amplifier to make the "mains".
With an audio amplifier (and two 12 volt batteries as input) it should be easy to measure the input
usage of the circuit. One can then connect a tuned (reactive) load to the output of the circuit and
then see if this loads the input. I wont speculate on the Luc setup because I haven't built it myself.
My main focus is to see if we can build a solid state circuit and do research on reactive power.

I'm currently researching my Figure-8 circuit. Has rebuilt that circuit from scratch. But I failed to
get the same "good" result as the old version. On the old version I was able to fully lit a 25 Watt
230 VAC light bulb, and use only 29 Watt on the input to do so. On the old version I also got
the circuit in "tune" so to speak, so that the circuit emitted a LOT of EMF disturbing every electronic
circuit around me. The new one does not do that. And the output is very poor. I ran out of the
old and good power transistor BUX80 and every other transistor I have tried in the new build does not
perform well.

GL.
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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
What Luc needs to do is succinctly define a replicable experiment and state his conclusion about it, i.e. no "cryptics" as Steve says.

Preferably one without the use of exotic components and connections (i.e. the shorted sec MOT , or motor/gen setups for eg.) so that anyone can easily replicate and test it.

Either that, or he should be open to guidance so that his "exotic" setup can be properly tested. So far he has not been very open to guidance.


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From GL:

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Luc has demonstrated that the motor does not slow down when he connects a load(tuned) to
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He verified that by measuring the RPM on the motor.

A synchronous motor will not show a reduction of RPM when lightly loaded, because it is in sync with the AC line, hence synchronous.

It will draw more power when lightly loaded. When heavily loaded it can break synchronicity and begin to "slip", and power use will go up by a large amount. In this case RPMs will decrease.

Luc is wrong to use RPM as an indication of "no power usage increase".

From Poynt:

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the generator only momentarily exhibits a decrease in rpm. You can clearly hear that.

Yes, the motor breaks sync, then goes back into sync.


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If I have a 1Hp motor running with no load on it, and I lightly drag my finger on the shaft as it runs, am I drawing a load? Will there be a noticeable difference in the motor rpm?

As I stated, for a light load and while "in sync" there will be no decrease in RPM's. There will be a slight increase in power drawn.

In synchronous motors speed is independent of the load over the operating range of the motor.


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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Thanks for your valuable insight ION.

And Merry Christmas to all.


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Threats of huge fines in Spain for using solar power...


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By Tracy Rucinski and Jose Elías Rodríguez

MADRID, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Two weeks after Spain's government slapped a series of levies on green energy, Inaki Alonso hired two workmen to remove the solar panels he had put on his roof only six months earlier.

Alonso, an architect who specialises in ecological projects, calculated the cost of generating his own power under a new energy law and decided the numbers no longer added up.

Neither was it possible to leave the panels on his Madrid home without connecting them to the electricity grid; that would have risked an astronomical fine of between 6 million and 30 million euros ($8 million-$40 million).

"The new law makes it unviable to produce my own clean energy," Alonso said.

Spain's conservative government announced a reform of the energy system last month, including the "support levy" on solar power in a country blessed with abundant sunlight.

Imposed by decree, the reform aims to raise money for tackling a 26 billion euro debt to power producers which the state has built up over the years in regulating energy costs and prices. The solar levy was fixed at 6 euro cents per kilowatt-hour.

Under the constitution, the government can impose emergency measures by decree and has done so repeatedly since it came into office in late 2011. With Spain in economic crisis, power consumption is falling but the energy debt will continue growing by 4-5 billion euros a year unless the government takes action.

Utilities such as Iberdrola, Endesa and Gas Natural have attacked other revenue-raising measures in the reform. However, Spaniards who have generated power independently for their own homes under a system known as "autoconsumo" are among the hardest hit by policies which they say punish, rather than encourage, energy efficiency.

Industry Minister Jose Manuel Soria accepts the measures are painful but says they are needed to plug the energy deficit.

"I support 'autoconsumo' ... but the power system has infrastructure, grids that the rest of us Spaniards who are in the system have to pay for. And we pay for it through our electricity bill," said Soria.

As a decree law, the measures are unlikely to undergo much scrutiny in parliament where the ruling People's Party has an outright majority, meaning the opposition cannot force a debate.

GREEN SAVINGS CRACK-DOWN

Spain imports over 80 percent of its energy needs, spending more than 40 billion euros - or about 4.5 percent of gross domestic product - a year. Supporters of solar power says the government ought to be supporting the industry to cut this bill and achieve renewable energy targets set by the European Union.

Soria announced the measures just as home-produced solar power had become increasingly attractive compared with electricity supplied over the grid by traditional utilities.

In the past, the high cost of solar panels discouraged many consumers from taking the plunge, but prices have more than halved in the last three years. A 240-watt solar panel kit, enough to power household appliances, is now available on the Internet for as little as 500 euros.

Under the old regime, Spanish consumers could recover a typical 1,600-2,100 euro investment in solar panels through savings on their utility bills in about five years. According to FENIE, an association for solar panel installations, this will jump to 17 years when the levies are imposed under the new law.

Moreover, the law does not allow homeowners to sell electricity they do not need back to the grid, a common practice in other countries such as Germany.

Spain's climate offers huge potential for solar power. In Germany, a four-person household can cut its consumption of power from the grid by 30 percent by using panels. In Spain, which has among the highest electricity prices in Europe, the figure is three times that - offering big savings for consumers hit by the recession and 26 percent unemployment.

SOLAR REBELS

In the end, Alonso moved his solar panels to a friend's house deep in the Spanish countryside. This was far enough from the nearest mains supply to be exempt from the stipulation that panels must be hitched up to the grid.

Apart from people in isolated communities, Spaniards must connect their panels to the grid within two months. This allows their solar power production to be metered remotely - and taxed.

However, some panel owners plan to rebel by ignoring the government's deadline, confident the courts would hesitate to uphold the huge fines. These were laid down in an old 1997 energy law and, while possibly appropriate for a large corporation, no private individual could ever pay them.

"If I spend 600 euros to install solar panels and get fined 6 million euros, let the judge decide," said Sergio Pomar, chief executive of energy-efficient installation firm INEL.

Courts already expect a series of legal challenges to other elements of the reforms, which investors in renewable energy says renege on the terms of their investment.

Teresa Ribera, senior adviser to the Paris-based Institute for Sustainable Development and International Relations (IDDRI), said the law could provoke civil disobedience.

"This law is illogical in terms of energy efficiency and costs ... and is a serious invitation by the government for citizens to become anti-system," she said.

She dismissed the idea that independent solar power producers should pay for costs such as running the grid and subsidising other energy forms. "It's like asking cyclists to pay a levy to keep open the petrol stations they don't use," said Ribera, who served as secretary of state for the environment under the former Socialist administration.

BACKTRACKING ON RENEWABLES

Ribera said the law is a setback for Spain in the competitive renewable energy industry, where it was once a frontrunner.

It also threatens to prevent Spain from meeting an EU goal of producing 20 percent of its energy from renewable sources by 2020. "If we continue burning more coal and stop installing renewables capacity, the targets are at risk," said renewable energy advocate Mario Sanchez.

Javier Garcia Breva, chairman of Spain's renewable energy foundation, said the country had to cut its energy import bill. "Failing to support energy efficiency will only make these costs go up," he said.
   

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What is taking place in Spain is a foreshadow of what
is planned for all of Planet Earth once the NWO is
fully consolidated.

Tyrants and psychopaths will have nothing less than
full and complete authority over every aspect of the
lives of their servants.



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Buy me a beer
What is taking place in Spain is a foreshadow of what
is planned for all of Planet Earth once the NWO is
fully consolidated.

Tyrants and psychopaths will have nothing less than
full and complete authority over every aspect of the
lives of their servants.



I have a strong feeling Dumped, that Spain is a test bed or the start of the big push of the NWO. Certain known members have just bought into the private services sector here, that will give quite a control on a lot of things in local and main government, I don't think they need to make more money, being the richest in the world, I'm sure they have orgasms with power :D, perhaps they should be castrated!!! >:-) now that's a good idea O0

Mike :'(


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The time is right now.

It's up to every individual to become as self sufficient as they can.  Solar and wind may help a few but are not viable in all areas due to laws or geography. The days of the hunter-gatherer are long over.  We now depend on stores to buy our products.

Having your energy makes it much easier to grow your own food, heat and cool your home, and make your life easier in many regards.

In the Western US, gas is around $3.50 - much better than $4, but still high.  Electricity is pretty high, food is high, all products are high, taxes are high.  Wages do not keep up with the cost of living. Wood is about $250 for mixed wood, and over $350 for hardwood, per cord.  

Having my own power will easily save me about $300 to $400 per month, as I currently use wood, propane, and electricity for household purposes.  If the generator is portable, I can gradually convert my vehicles.  Not sure how this will work out with registrations and license plates.  I'll make it appear to run on batteries.  Cutting my gasoline bill out of the budget will net me at least $500 per month.  So, a savings of $1000 per month is not unreasonable for me.
   

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What does it take to convince people of something that they are skeptical about?

   
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What does it take to convince people of something that they are skeptical about?



When it comes out in the mainstream media (also controlled though for the most part).

Now this (from the Daily Caller):

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Shipping giants FedEx and UPS haven’t said much since it was revealed Sunday that the National Security Agency intercepts electronics packages to install spyware, but what they have said implies they knew what the agency was up to.

Security researcher Jacob Appelbaum co-wrote a Der Spiegel article published Sunday detailing how the NSA intercepts newly purchased computer products mid-shipment to install surveillance malware before reaching the buyer without their knowledge.

“If a target person, agency or company orders a new computer or related accessories, for example, TAO [Office of Tailored Access Operations] can divert the shipping delivery to its own secret workshops,” Appelbaum wrote. ”The NSA calls this method interdiction. At these so-called “load stations,” agents carefully open the package in order to load malware onto the electronics, or even install hardware components that can provide backdoor access for the intelligence agencies. All subsequent steps can then be conducted from the comfort of a remote computer.”


In response to Daily Caller inquiries to shipping companies UPS and FedEx asking whether they had knowledge of such a program and if they cooperated with the NSA, FedEx media relations’ Scott Fiedler responded with the following:

“The answer to your questions about ‘permission/cooperation, etc…’  is –  ’No.’”

Fiedler decline to comment on whether FedEx was aware of the program, or give a statement describing FedEx’s official stance on the matter.

UPS declined to comment on repeated requests from TheDC.

During a weekend communication conference in Berlin, Appelbaum unveiled numerous previously unknown agency programs and capabilities that began as far back as 2007, including the NSA’s ability to hack private WiFi networks from almost 10 miles away.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/31/shipping-companies-largely-silent-on-nsa-intercepting-packages/#ixzz2p6aG3JMn
   

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One can assume that they watch every move.
   
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here is one way to deal with intimidation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4

run  a national Television Commercial spot!

for sale next month!

as a side note ,we have a very trusted member who is from Brazil,I am reaching out to him for a "purchase feasibility" study?
[group purchase]
Thx
Chet

They should, do some fact checking, at 1:50 in the video she says when talking of Tesla's wireless power scheme " when Westinghouse discovered that he could not connect meters" the project was destroyed. My understanding was that it was Morgan who was the money man and Westinghouse was Tesla's friend, I may be mistaken but I get the feeling Westinghouse was dead at the time as well, but I'm not sure on that.

Cheers

As far as the intimidation goes, I can show and have done previously, some PM's from an individual or entity which offered me any sum of money I desired for a self generating device. Now some people might have different responses or reactions or thoughts about such an event, I seen it as a bluff. And simply replied I have already shared all I know there is nothing else so, no thanks. The truth.  :)

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The Truth is very powerful indeed,too many marketing men play with it and distort things for their own gain!
Personally I learned that something called "Brutal honesty" was the best path for myself.

not always easy however it is necessary for me.

I suppose our problem in these forums and OU research in general has its roots in Truth ....
what actually is the truth??

Thx for the contribution here ,

Chet
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I do have to get back in contact with our Brazilian friend ,seems there is also a Brazilian soybean processing gravity powered  plant in Gilman illinois We may be looking at also?
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somethings  going on in Brazil
Not much apparent intimidation there....
Truth???
   
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Yes it appears Westinghouse died in June, 1914. Although was "out of business" from 1911 onwards. So I doubt he had anything to do with it and so how can we trust to believe people who get this important thing wrong.

Our Trains used his Braking System when I was at the employ of Queensland Rail until 1993. Not my line of work but we knew what it was called,why and how it worked and why it was being used. It saved many many lives.

Cheers

P.s. I've located the offer but it is a PM from a different forum, I am not too concerned with posting the content of the PM as the person did not make any actual posts on said forum. however the text is contained in a jpeg for posterity in the forum message box. I can crop out the forums name, but still not sure if it would be "ok" to post as far as others are opinioned. So I will refrain unless requested to do so.
Here is the thing, I got the impression the "offer" was made to overwhelm me paranoia style and intimidate me that way, and perhaps get me to stop posting or something.

A way of trying to control my posting behaviour or to try to make me think that I was out of my depth, so to speak. Mind games. It was that incident that led me to believe that some forces were at play to hype the members into a frenzy of greed or quiet those who did know something they were not sharing.

There are a lot of psychological games played in the free energy arena. The psychology of people is well known and can be easily used against the unaware, or be used to make use of the unaware to do the bidding of others unwarily.

Those in their younger years, or whom have been shielded from psychopathic behaviour are more prone to the effects of manipulation in this way.

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This just reminded me of a Private message I got some time ago on another energy forum.   It was from someone with Zero posts to the forum.   It simply was a message with a smile (sender sent a smile).   That forum members name was Gunpal5.   The fact that 'gun' is in his member name and nothing else was said seems to me to be a definite form of intimidation wouldn't you say?   He has never posted any messages there and so I would presume he signed up only to give me that 'message'.   
   
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