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exnihiloest	Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « on: 2013-04-23, 13:51:01 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: poynt99 on 2013-04-20, 15:37:40 Ex, I think John already laid out his intentions. His discussions relate to the aether and the role it plays in free energy and antigravity etc. Be patient and read along for a while if you wish. There are hundreds, or even thousands theories without a single experiment that could show the least beginning of relevance. A new theory is for explaining new observations. New facts must be presented prior any theory, a theory is not for his author a means to enjoy himself or for (pseudo-)scientifical grandstanding outside of any experimental evidence. When I arrived on this forum, there were guys like Humbugger, Ion, Milehigh, Farah day, Deepcut... and some others who were involved in real experimentations and critical analysis. I thought that the ratio of the number of skilled + good will people/egocentric + pretentious ignorants was in favor of the first category and would allow to make a good work and find real interesting tracks for energy, in an improvement of everybody thanks to a skilled leadership. I see now that I was too much optimistic and today the ratio is no more reached. Humbugger, Milehigh, and recently Deepcut left the forum. And now I see that a smooth talker with a comic strip of childish images and a matter as empty as his aether, is as welcome here as was "Verpies", a really much more worthy contributor. I thought that this forum could be above the others in matter of relevance about free energy, and now I observe that I was wrong. The forum paints everybody and his ideas with the same brush. I feel now bad on a place where anything is accepted without discernment and where experimental evidence and intellectual requirement are no more needed. I let the ones who believe that aetheric sciences could be a science, to waste their time with hundreds posts before (in the best case) realizing their mistake. I consider that mine is precious, we have only one life so I will go back to work instead of undergoing so many bullsh... This will delight some of the guys here but I don't care. I will regret only the small team of real experimenters still present, but unfortunately today unhearable in the noise of the others, I wish them a big courage.

tinman	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #1 on: 2013-04-23, 14:34:41 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: exnihiloest on 2013-04-23, 13:51:01 There are hundreds, or even thousands theories without a single experiment that could show the least beginning of relevance. A new theory is for explaining new observations. New facts must be presented prior any theory, a theory is not for his author a means to enjoy himself or for (pseudo-)scientifically grandstanding outside of any experimental evidence. When I arrived on this forum, there were guys like Humbugger, Ion, Milehigh, Farah day, Deepcut... and some others who were involved in real experimentation's and critical analysis. I thought that the ratio of the number of skilled + good will people/egocentric + pretentious ignorants was in favor of the first category and would allow to make a good work and find real interesting tracks for energy, in an improvement of everybody thanks to a skilled leadership. I see now that I was too much optimistic and today the ratio is no more reached. Humbugger, Milehigh, and recently Deepcut left the forum. And now I see that a smooth talker with a comic strip of childish images and a matter as empty as his aether, is as welcome here as was "Verpies", a really much more worthy contributor. I thought that this forum could be above the others in matter of relevance about free energy, and now I observe that I was wrong. The forum paints everybody and his ideas with the same brush. I feel now bad on a place where anything is accepted without discernment and where experimental evidence and intellectual requirement are no more needed. I let the ones who believe that aetheric sciences could be a science, to waste their time with hundreds posts before (in the best case) realizing their mistake. I consider that mine is precious, we have only one life so I will go back to work instead of undergoing so many bullsh... This will delight some of the guys here but I don't care. I will regret only the small team of real experimenters still present, but unfortunately today unhearable in the noise of the others, I wish them a big courage. Ex-im not sure of your position in regards to having the equipment or a workshop,but it would be great if you became one of the experimenters.Your knowledge should be put to physical setup's. I still see many here doing actual experiment's.

ion	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #2 on: 2013-04-23, 15:07:21 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Ex I'm hoping you will stick around, as I highly value your input, even if others may find you difficult to deal with. The truth you present is often a bitter pill for them to swallow so they reject you. I will be the first to admit that this forum has lost some of it's original quality and intent, mixing fanciful, unproven ideas with ideas worthy of experiment. This is discouraging to me. I ask how can it be brought back to it's original intent and quality? You are right, all ideas seem to carry the same weight, there is no clearing house to weed out things which are time and bandwidth wasters. One would be accused of violating free speech or stifling ideas if there was quality enforcement, unfortunately, so it is a difficult position to be a moderator. I hope the moderators will respectfully accept my resignation from a position which I reluctantly accepted., Some will celebrate this. --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

poynt99	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #3 on: 2013-04-23, 15:21:16 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	Gentlemen, Why the adversity to diversity? There are already a few areas in this forum that push the envelope of accepted mainstream thinking, yet no one has spoke up until now. I personally can feel "something" from quartz crystals, magnets (including identifying the polarity against my skin), capacitors, certain material compositions, and most recently from certain images. It is nothing more and nothing less than that. Why does this offend you or make you feel that this diminishes the objectivity of this forum? If Peter agrees with you fellows, then I'll push this area below viewing level, so as not to upset anyone. --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

ion	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #4 on: 2013-04-23, 15:30:35 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Maybe the layout of this forum needs revamping so that topics that may be important to some don't get lost in the long string of latest posts. Perhaps a condensed topical index for recent activity, more like what is available at the "OU.com" site. I often find it difficult to remember exactly where I should be posting as the topic has scrolled off the page. I have no problem with the psychotronic stuff, having experimented with it myself in the past. The term "aetheric science" may be misleading as it is based more on personal feeling rather than precise replicable results. --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

Allcanadian	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #5 on: 2013-04-23, 15:31:13 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	T.H.Moray -- "what is the truth when the truth is unacceptable" There is no truth, there are perceptions and opinions and the truth keeps changing. The truth 200 years ago was not the truth 100 years ago and the truth 100 years ago is not the truth today. Rest assured that what we call the truth today will bear little resemblance to that 100 years from now. As well I think that like everything in nature this forum is cyclic, people come and go, new idea's enter as the old ones leave, people and idea's flowing like the tides. If there is one constant it is that everyone is looking for something they have yet to find, oh some may proclaim to know but the fact they are here or there seeking knowledge and idea's would suggest otherwise. They are not fooling anyone anymore than one can fool themselves and nothing is truly accepted by either party until it is transformed into reality.They may make waves but the ebb and flow remains constant as time winds it's tortuous path. Concerning the Aether, the aether is simply a word which we define and we can call it whatever we would like but that cannot change what it is. I define it as EM waves and their associated interference patterns pervading all space and I am not speaking of any given portion of the spectra but all of it as a whole. If we need a universal "substance" as a cause for action at a distance which carries energy in a universal context then why not this. I believe the first mistake is when we start calling something nothing or nothing something because it is a contradiction in terms. I believe that what we seek is simple, it may not be easy for us but I would imagine it is much easier for someone else we have yet to meet. I believe the mistake is in thinking we know and understand when intuitively we know better and we can say whatever we like to whomever we wish however this does not change the fact that intuitively on some level we know better. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

poynt99	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #6 on: 2013-04-23, 15:54:32 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	Quote from: ION on 2013-04-23, 15:30:35 Maybe the layout of this forum needs revamping so that topics that may be important to some don't get lost in the long string of latest posts. Perhaps a condensed topical index for recent activity, more like what is available at the "OU.com" site. I often find it difficult to remember exactly where I should be posting as the topic has scrolled off the page. I don't quite follow. The recent posts section here is very much like what is at OU.com, but here we are currently viewing 40 of the most recent posts, where at OU it is about 30. --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

Peterae	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #7 on: 2013-04-23, 16:09:49 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3961	Ex your inability to skip topics you find offending will surely be missed. The main problem with OUR is that most dare not share their experimentation or interest here because of the impolite attacks that have followed. Most who experiment do not fully have the capabilities to defend themselves and explain their results to themselves let alone a bunch of people who expect full testing and maths, they should instead be sowing the seeds for others to further experiment, this has been killed off by first Milehigh and also by yourself. A typical example was Groundloops gravity wave detector, he made it clear he was trying to prove/disprove either way what was being detected, he got attacked and was going to leave, it was only when i ring fenced his work from a certain person was able to continue, this has happened many times on here, and now we have very little to no people working on devices. Quote If Peter agrees with you fellows, then I'll push this area below viewing level, so as not to upset anyone. Only if you really feel it's necessary, but i dont think it needed now Ex has resigned. « Last Edit: 2013-04-23, 16:59:17 by Peterae »

Groundloop	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #8 on: 2013-04-23, 16:33:45 »
Sr. Member Posts: 336	Quote from: Peterae on 2013-04-23, 16:09:49 Ex your inability to skip topics you find offending will surely be missed. The main problem with OUR is that most dare not share their experimentation or interest here because of the impolite attacks that have followed. Most who experiment do not fully have the capabilities to defend themselves and explain their results to themselves let alone a bunch of people who expect full testing and maths, they should instead be sowing the seeds for others to further experiment, this has been killed off by first Milehigh and also by yourself. A typical example was Groundloops gravity wave detector, he made it clear he was trying to prove/disprove either way what was being detected, he got attacked and was going to leave, it was only when i ring fenced his work from a certain person was able to continue, this has happened many times on here, and now we have very little to no people working on devices. Sure. Peter, The work on the "Gravity Wave" detector is ongoing, but not posted on this forum. I'm working together with tak22 and he is close to have a very good application program for collecting and analyzing the data from different units at different locations. I'm also working on other projects that include longitudinal waves generators and receivers. Also not posted on any forum. I have been researching ambient power modules and find then to be good receivers of energy. Recently I have been looking into the "capacitors self charge effect". But all in all, I'm tired of posting my research onto forums. It takes to long for me to "hack" down post in English. But if I find something that is really interesting then I will post it in this forum. GL. ------------------------ damn.gif (3.18 kB, 100x100 - viewed 400 times.)

Peterae	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #9 on: 2013-04-23, 16:50:09 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3961	That is great news GL, really glad to hear from you, i also think this is the case with others as well, people know it can be a battle to post on forums and are just working on their own until something turns up which is postable. My policy was always to post raw experiments, this way others may see things that i missed, and also if anyone was interested maybe it would spark someones interest and let them build on my work. This is not possible if people trash and denounce everything because science does not predict results, it gets to the stage where you think whats the point in posting until i have something solid, mean while any data or possibility of people finding something in the work has been lost. Wow Ex resigns and we have not had so many people on in a long time at once

Allcanadian	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #10 on: 2013-04-23, 16:58:50 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	@Peterae I would agree, as well I think the perspectives are polarized and one group denies all change due to an innate fear of it while another may invoke change at any cost giving them a sense of freedom or to dispel fear. The fact remains that if the hard core critical thinkers had their way absolutely no progress would be made because it is deeply rooted in a fear of change. This can be justified in the fact that they have attacked many credible persons they believed had no credibility and the fact that the technology was later proven beyond all shadow of doubt to be valid. Down Wind Faster Than The Wind is a perfect example and in the critical thinkers mind it could not possibly be true for no other reason than they could not grasp the simple concept. As such I really do not care for the all knowing all seeing self-proclaimed god like status they bestow upon themselves and they are as delusional as any supposed crackpot in my opinion. I find it comical that they speak of facts yet continually pass judgement without actually having any which is a contradiction in itself. In any case I think it is generally agreed upon that we are here to make progress and to learn from each other as such the extremists from both sides of the fence may have to show a little more tolerance. In my opinion Intolerance is definitely not a sign of intelligence nor credibility regardless of what any one person may think they know regarding the facts. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Farmhand	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #11 on: 2013-04-23, 17:08:49 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Peterae on 2013-04-23, 16:09:49 Ex your inability to skip topics you find offending will surely be missed. The main problem with OUR is that most dare not share their experimentation or interest here because of the impolite attacks that have followed. Most who experiment do not fully have the capabilities to defend themselves and explain their results to themselves let alone a bunch of people who expect full testing and maths, they should instead be sowing the seeds for others to further experiment, this has been killed off by first Milehigh and also by yourself. A typical example was Groundloops gravity wave detector, he made it clear he was trying to prove/disprove either way what was being detected, he got attacked and was going to leave, it was only when i ring fenced his work from a certain person was able to continue, this has happened many times on here, and now we have very little to no people working on devices. Sure. I'll go back on my word and say I agree, I see that too, and it happens at OU.com at times as well. I have nothing against skeptics. What is intolerable is the constant need to defend ourselves from ridicule by certain people. Lot's of us are skeptics but realize that we just might not visualize what someone else does so we let it pass. Lot's of us do experiments but if we link a video here we risk Ex. berating us about there is no OU bla bla. There is the twisting of what is said and inferences seemingly from nowhere. It's kind of bizarre. AC, I see the Aether as similar to you, just a a lot of fluctuations at all frequencies sort of thing, like "all band noise", if there is fluctuations like a waves then there is a zero point ect. I think maybe atoms and stuff could be vortices which rely on energy from the Aether to remain stable. Anyway back to planning my next build, a pulse motor. Cheers

muDped	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #12 on: 2013-04-23, 17:15:45 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	It is a most unfortunate truth that deception has become such a large part of the way our modern world operates. Virtually every facet of the human experience has been touched by those who deceive for power and profit. Aye, "Truth" as we are able to perceive it has steadily evolved. But, as has been the case with History, "Truth" is controlled by those who are in positions of power. In today's world very little is as it seems to be. The Weapons of Mass Deception employed by the New World Order are very powerful indeed. While some do believe that we have only one life to live, there are others who would disagree. Somewhere there is a "Truth" in this matter and in the future we shall find it out. As I see it, very few will be disappointed. Ex, as is the case with all of us here, is a work in progress. As time goes on and new truths are discovered our mindset adapts to the new perceived reality. Some would compare it to a roller coaster ride with its "highs" and "lows;" its "ups" and "downs." If we patiently persist in seeking Truth we will in due time find it. There is Real Truth hidden underneath all of the "noise" and "distractions" generated by those who deceive by means of fearful propaganda. Fine Tuning our senses so as to be able to Filter Out the garbage is the hard part... « Last Edit: 2013-04-23, 20:22:11 by Dumped » --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Peterae	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #13 on: 2013-04-23, 18:15:46 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3961	I will also say that the target of this thread is Aether22 and his images, i personally would say well done Aether22, to be honest i find your work refreshing Maybe some people unknowingly can also concentrate this Aetheric energy, have you ever noticed how some people stand out from the crowd and seem to ouse some sort of energy as if they have an attractive force field, just being in their presence makes you feel good, it's not so common but i have felt this sometimes about certain people

giantkiller	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #14 on: 2013-04-23, 18:24:03 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	I have seen the least creative become control. They can not experience new ideas therefore hold on maniacally to the status quo or in other words 'the sides of the box must not shake' for without rules there is chaos. This reality was made by rule breakers. Par none. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Allcanadian	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #15 on: 2013-04-23, 19:06:47 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	@Peterae Quote I will also say that the target of this thread is Aether22 and his images, i personally would say well done Aether22, to be honest i find your work refreshing I would agree and while I'm not into that kind of thing now that is not to say I will not be at some other time. In many cases I have found progress not to approach the bench a an Engineer but as an Artist and to many this makes no sense. However the sense in it lies in the fact that I have changed my perception and found new and creative solutions to old problems. The sense is in the solution and is beyond reproach because the reality of it speaks for itself. @GK Quote I have seen the least creative become control. They can not experience new ideas therefore hold on maniacally to the status quo or in other words 'the sides of the box must not shake' for without rules there is chaos. This reality was made by rule breakers. Par none. I would agree and have found most in the business of business are completely lacking in creativity. Like a caveman they see only what is and never what could be thus they are forever trapped in the present and excluded from the future. The mistake made here is in thinking that memorizing a book is a sign of intelligence however this in not the case and it is the people who write their own book who are guiding our future. I guess one could say blindly following others is definitely not a form of leadership. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Chet K	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #16 on: 2013-04-23, 20:16:52 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Exnihiloest Your a very smart man,I have always appreciated your help as well as Your tuff stance on science and protocol. However your seeming inability to tolerate other possibilities as well as those who disagree does create unnecessary conflict. Fair thee well.... Thx Chet

ion	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #17 on: 2013-04-23, 20:55:14 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Quote from: poynt99 on 2013-04-23, 15:54:32 I don't quite follow. The recent posts section here is very much like what is at OU.com, but here we are currently viewing 40 of the most recent posts, where at OU it is about 30. To clarify, on the other forum, the most recent activity in a given topic causes the topic to be displayed, not the actual string of posts to that topic. You need to go into each topic to see the latest posts. This keeps hot topics from getting lost from a long string of sometimes uninteresting or unrelated posts or causing the thread to lose momentum by getting lost off the page. Granted there are ways around this, but it is a bit cumbersome. Just my 2 cents --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

poynt99	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #18 on: 2013-04-23, 21:26:16 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	Right ION. I agree, having only the last post of the topic displayed would perhaps be preferable. Peter, do you think we can accomplish this? --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

Peterae	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #19 on: 2013-04-23, 21:43:25 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3961	There is indeed a mod to do that, i will look into it.

ion	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #20 on: 2013-04-23, 22:46:13 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Quote from: Peterae on 2013-04-23, 21:43:25 There is indeed a mod to do that, i will look into it. I'm betting we will all find it much easier to stay focused on our topics of interest with such a mod. Thank you for considering this. --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

tinman	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #21 on: 2013-04-23, 23:47:37 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Peterae on 2013-04-23, 21:43:25 There is indeed a mod to do that, i will look into it. Peterae-maybe take a look at how i have set out IAEC http://iaec.forumco.com/ This way you can go to any topic from the home page. The one thing i will say is that Ex was the reason i spent much time reserching what resonance was within a circuit.So from the chaos there was answers-this has to be a good thing.

EMdevices	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #22 on: 2013-04-24, 03:37:57 »
Hero Member Posts: 805	Good idea ION, sometimes we're gone for a while and come back hoping to see the thread we were interested in, somewhere in the top list, but often it falls off due to feverish activity in some other thread, like this one. So is exnihiloest throwing another tantrum? He'll come back when I post my high voltage RESONANT aesthetic energy converter. lol. EM « Last Edit: 2013-04-24, 05:17:49 by EMdevices »

giantkiller	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #23 on: 2013-04-24, 07:10:08 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1593 Frequency equals matter...	Ex could have stayed. The group diatribal posting was merely trigger words that most fell prey to. Now what did I just say? , who's the target and who's the victim? How do we respond? --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Peterae	Re: Forum ethics and aetheric pseudo-science [why I interrupt my activity here] « Reply #24 on: 2013-04-24, 11:04:56 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3961	99.9% of what we work on could be called fringe science, very little of it makes any sense in scientific terms until it's tested and analyzed, if you are being attacked for undertaking things that science does not allow how can any breakthrough's be made, people need to be left alone and to discuss on friendly terms no matter how far out their stuff is, other wise there will never be any breakthrough at all, which from what i see is exactly where science is right now. We are not a pure science group here, we are trying to apply scientific method to overunity research but there are no boundaries where someone can stand up and say that does not fit with science. This thread should be re titled as 'exnihiloest's ethics' We have wasted thousands of hours just replying to threads like this created by Ex and it's not even relevant to Overunity research, he has caused too many distractions. It's disruptive and it only causes trouble and stop's work on possible experimentation.

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