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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #25 on: 2013-04-21, 11:05:14 »
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Quote from: ION on 2013-04-20, 23:36:43
Page 5, line 65 of the patent app says something very interesting:

I can understand that it might be direct current, but half waved?


I guess it would depend on how you look at AC and DC. I would concider rectified AC to be half wave DC,as the current flow is in one direction only.AC means that the current flow alternates direction(if you want to look at it like that) while DC means that the current flow is in one direction only.I don't ever recall seeing that a DC current flow must be a fixed voltage to warrent it being called DC.SO as long as the direction of current flow remains singular ,regardless of voltage-then a half wave DC is not out of the ordinary.It may be due to some sort of pumping or ramping of the device,but i would imagine that the frequency would be quite high.One would thing that we could just add a cap in parallel to smooth out the wave-as we do with rectified AC.
   
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #26 on: 2013-04-21, 12:01:52 »
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #27 on: 2013-04-21, 13:06:49 »
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Quote from: ION on 2013-04-20, 23:36:43
I can understand that it might be direct current, but half waved? At what frequency? If at the excitation frequency, what is the nature of the output when the excitation is removed? Why would it continue to be half waved? High energy pulses of one polarity would  seem more likely.

Thoughts offered for dissection:

1. RF excitation of P to create many different isotopes of P having half-lives well under one second
2. Those isotopes radiating the 'lead shield' and causing Cherenkov radiation parabolic-ally focused upon the tube
3. The results of #2 having high enough energy to excite Co & Cd into partial conversion to isotopes capable of electron capture & beta emission, respectively.

I would suspect the mode of conversion to Co & Cd isotopes via Cherenkov radiation to be due to partial changes of Co & Cd metastates.

Cherenkov radiation can occur and be affective throughout most of the EM spectrum, not just visible light.

So, the RF excitation is just a boot-strap replacing the self generated Cherenkov excitation and only P will respond to AC.

It shouldn't be surprising that the output is a steadily rising and falling DC (with a very heavy AC component).

I suspect the frequency of 300mHz is dictated by the distance between the tube and the 'lead shield' with modifiers for different radiation velocities.




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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #28 on: 2013-04-21, 14:47:49 »
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Quote from: WaveWatcher on 2013-04-21, 13:06:49
Thoughts offered for dissection:

1. RF excitation of P to create many different isotopes of P having half-lives well under one second
2. Those isotopes radiating the 'lead shield' and causing Cherenkov radiation parabolic-ally focused upon the tube
3. The results of #2 having high enough energy to excite Co & Cd into partial conversion to isotopes capable of electron capture & beta emission, respectively.

I would suspect the mode of conversion to Co & Cd isotopes via Cherenkov radiation to be due to partial changes of Co & Cd metastates.

Cherenkov radiation can occur and be affective throughout most of the EM spectrum, not just visible light.

So, the RF excitation is just a boot-strap replacing the self generated Cherenkov excitation and only P will respond to AC.

It shouldn't be surprising that the output is a steadily rising and falling DC (with a very heavy AC component).

I suspect the frequency of 300mHz is dictated by the distance between the tube and the 'lead shield' with modifiers for different radiation velocities.




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Sorry for the rant


I think that is a very interesting hypothesis of how this device might function, WW, thanks for giving it your attention. Feel free to rant on a bit more.

I raised all those questions not because I don't know the difference between AC and DC, just thinking out loud and trying to nail down a mechanism of operation by reverse engineering.

Looking at the table of possible isotopes for each element we see a huge number ranging from pico second half lives to minutes, hours days and years, with some having an unknown length of time.

The patent applicants may have avoided giving away all the fine points like the arcuate shaped lead shield, which does little to really shield and seems as you say more of a parabolic lens focusing the x-ray production from "Bremstrahlung".

Even if the patent app is false, it shows creativity and can open our minds to other, possibly better means of initiating such reactions.


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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #29 on: 2013-04-21, 18:25:33 »
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Some light reading for those that like patents

http://dnorthrup.ipower.com/thorium-battery.pdf

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #30 on: 2013-07-09, 03:56:15 »
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Hi all !\

I'm new in discussion and Just as introduction: I'm deeply interested with all subject in forum that will lead to free ourselfs from needs of energies from big brother.
Specialy I'm interested with Colman Power Generator as started to be discuss here. To my suprise from april of 2013 mesages stopped , why? no one is trying replicate this experiment?
Well to start this moowing , I'm working on this patent and I'm trying to replicate it but it is not easy.

There is many variables that needs to be taken into consideration.

Is there any progress from your side?

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #31 on: 2013-07-11, 08:50:50 »
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Reading the patent, this setup seems legit but a bit dangerous. Am I to assume the lead shield (20) is just a curved lead plate of some few mm thickness,
somewhat wider than the tube and curved so that if one stood behind it the straight going "rays" would be blocked from engaging the person ?

I can see why the idea of using a remote transmitter to activate it would be a good idea. The entire device except the antenna's should be in a leaden box shouldn't it ?

The claim is about a thousand Watts output for one hour by applying about 15 seconds excitement with the RF power.
Seems like a good power supply for an unmanned space probe or something. It could easily sustain itself until depletion or failure.
What is the tech they use now for the space probes ?

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #32 on: 2013-07-11, 09:28:39 »
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Farmhand;

these days they use nuclear batteries - if No failure of any components they last 100 years Plus.  Mars probe demonstrate just that.

Shielding of Power Generator is Last on my mind. Firstly the starting of device has to work as Swiss watch. No I do not underestimate danger of Radiation which ever it is and I have Made Large BOX from Lead.  Tell you honestly I cant lift it alone, two of us busting our balls to get it on the bench , but safety is first , don't worry about balls.

In 1956 there was a little different outlook on radiation , still as you see whole industry of power storage went different way.  It is clear that scientific comunity skip this.  Maybe it is unreliable or just simply it is waiting on refining.

I think in respect of wording of Patent - this is always just principal idea and enclosure is just addition on principal . I don't believe that shield has anything to do with operation of this device, the same for capacitor from lead. 

What is challenging is to find right chemicals, When you start searching for chemical supplies You will find that the same Mol formula is produced in many different ways ( Colman has no idea) , Just C carbon has about 200 forms , different surface areas different applications , but still carbon. I have been caught on this problem and it stalled me for three months.

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #33 on: 2013-07-11, 13:01:10 »

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I would not worry about the carbon itself, maybe there were not so many types in 1953 just use a pure form.  O0

As long as you have atoms of Cadmium, Phosphorous and Cobalt in the mix

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #34 on: 2013-07-11, 16:17:43 »

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I see all the chemicals are available on eBay  O0

It looks like the carbon mixed with the calcium phosphate is there the reduce the calcium phosphate, although it would need to be hot to do that, the carbon may also be there to stop oxidation of the metals

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ie50239a041?journalCode=iechad

PS they use a carbon flour in the above reduction.
   
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #35 on: 2013-07-11, 23:07:08 »
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 Did you try to replicate this reaction ?   What was your experience with starting?   
I have used carbon that is in very fine form -additives to paint -  didn't work, next carbon was additives to tyres rubber- didn't work , now I'm waiting on conductive carbon which is used to produce conductive plastic layer on HV cables .

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #36 on: 2013-07-12, 03:29:17 »
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You might also consider using toner from laser printers. It comes in various grades of ferromagnetism and is very fine iron and carbon (lampblack) suspended in a meltable plastic so it can be molded into various shapes. I have been experimenting with this stuff as it is cheap and plentiful. It is easily extracted from old laser cartridges or purchased on ebay.

Messy stuff to work with, I know, but creativity is often very messy....wear gloves.


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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #37 on: 2013-07-12, 05:18:43 »
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Ion;

Carbon from laser cartridges is the finest carbon and is mixed with thermoplastic and possibly iron dust as you said.  The problem with this material is that I don't know percentage of plast and iron and Carbon. I would think that Carbon contens is very low I have started melting this mixture and you are correct you can build plastic blocks - black Lego from it. I don't believe that this will work in place of Carbon in Colman mixture.
Did you managed to excite Colman mixture?

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #38 on: 2013-07-12, 08:22:17 »

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Hi Ladislav
I have not built the device, just trying to help you as best i can.

try graphite powder

Something like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200g-Graphite-powder-High-grade-/140502376217?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item20b6981f19
   
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #39 on: 2013-07-12, 12:31:39 »
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Hi Peter;

i have tried Graphite and I was not successful.
I guess this is science all about , step back and start again. I will try variations of Carbon , different sizes and surface area and conductivity.

Just as thought maybe my problem is somewhere else , starting with HF is not exactly the same as in patent , I may need to rebuild  and replicate exactly....
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #40 on: 2013-07-12, 12:48:27 »

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Indeed, try to build a variety of quartz tubes as you try each thing and label them for future tests.

The only way to succeed is to gain experience and try different things.
I would really hope you use your bench space i set up to document some of your work, that way it will not be wasted research and get lost, if you are a true believer in free energy then others can build on your work also and help you out as you try different things, sometimes others can see potential problems that you may miss.

We have some brilliant electronics guys here and i am sure they will try to help you.
   
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #41 on: 2013-07-12, 13:15:18 »

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I've been trying to track down Colman & Gillespie.

I have found Gillespie's death

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Deaths Jun 1958
GILLESPIE    Ronald W S    59    Birmingham    9c   502
It would be possible to order a death certificate to find who his beneficiary was.

There's no easy sign of Colman's death that i can find without further information.

Here's Colmans house as per the patent.
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/45-southlands-road/moseley/birmingham/b13-9rl/21142918

Colmans marriage
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Marriages Jun 1949   (>99%)
COLMAN    Harold V    Parker    Birmingham    9c   369     Scan available - click to view
Mitchell    Ralph G    Wigley    Birmingham    9c   369     Scan available - click to view
Parker    Jean E    Colman    Birmingham    9c   369     Scan available - click to view
Wigley    Vera F    Mitchell    Birmingham    9c   369     Scan available - click to view

So Colman married Jean E Parker June Quarter 1949

He had 2 kids
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Births Sep 1951   (>99%)
COLMAN    Stephen T    PARKER    Birmingham    9c   456     Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1954   (>99%)
Colman    Sally J    Parker    Birmingham    9c   380     Scan available - click to view

I found Stephen T using his mothers maiden name in 2009 on the electoral register but he disappears, and why was he not using his birth name Coleman, might indicate a divorce soon after the kids were born.

I dont have the accounts to further this research at the moment.
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #42 on: 2013-07-12, 14:34:41 »
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Quote from: Ladislav on 2013-07-12, 05:18:43
Ion;

Carbon from laser cartridges is the finest carbon and is mixed with thermoplastic and possibly iron dust as you said.  The problem with this material is that I don't know percentage of plast and iron and Carbon. I would think that Carbon contens is very low I have started melting this mixture and you are correct you can build plastic blocks - black Lego from it. I don't believe that this will work in place of Carbon in Colman mixture.
Did you managed to excite Colman mixture?

Ladislav

I plan on casting some of the various toners I have on hand into toroidal ring cores and measuring the inductive properties, especially heating at high frequencies. A test tube of the stuff I have is quite heavy, so the iron content is high. We can probably find a formulation for toner. No I have not yet replicated C-G device but may try, as the patent reads true.

PS I believe someone noted that the lead shields may serve to reflect radiation back onto the device, enhancing the effect.


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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #43 on: 2013-07-12, 23:40:37 »
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I would really hope you use your bench space i set up to document some of your work, that way it will not be wasted research and get lost, if you are a true believer in free energy then others can build on your work also and help you out as you try different things, sometimes others can see potential problems that you may miss.

What is bench space?

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #44 on: 2013-07-13, 00:05:26 »

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Go here:
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This is your own work space here on the forum. You can create topics etc. for your work.


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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #45 on: 2013-07-13, 10:50:17 »

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ION or any radio transmitter guys.

Back in the 50's in the uk we used 220VAC but 2 pin sockets, no earthing i believe.

I just find it strange that the anomalous voltage seen is half mains voltage 110V half wave, is there any way that the transmitter had a floating chassis or some other problem, to cause the anomalous voltage to appear.
   
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #46 on: 2013-07-13, 14:17:45 »
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voltage  100V to 110V is given with number of Copper Zinc combination It seam to me that if Colman used 14 x combination of Copper and Zinc that is like 110 V / 14 = 7.8 V  I don't think that this Voltage is significant. It seams to me that 7,8 V is per cell and if you go to 30 x mixture you will end up with 240V .  But accurate DC Voltage is these days unimportant due an inverters can produce nice AC voltage  in single or 3 phases.

Managing DC supply and feeding it via diode or full bridge into super caps ( current control must ) and from super caps into an inverter . Super caps should work as buffer for DC current spikes required by inverter.

Colman Power generator in multiple individual units each in 1 kw power will be run constantly ......... and that is good night story.................

Half wave means that DC voltage is cycling in unknown frequency ( only in one side of sinus wave )  Mr Colman did not mentioned what frequency he had it running at.
another idea spring to my mind would be this power generator working in series with another ? would be exiting of one started second one? 
One is coming to the and of one hour and second is restarted ( simple switching ) -----------constant power 70 years?
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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #47 on: 2013-07-13, 14:53:14 »

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No problem, i just like to check all aspects out, the reason i asked was as an Ex TV repair man, the TV chassis is at half mains potential in the earlier TVs before switched mode transformers, and because of this the aerial had to go through an DC isolation capacitor otherwise when the aerial was plugged in it would sit at half mains potential, which would be exactly what is happening here  O0

If an earth was introduced to the device he would have real power running through the device.

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Re: Colman_Gillespie Device « Reply #48 on: 2013-07-13, 20:13:43 »
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ION or any radio transmitter guys.

Back in the 50's in the uk we used 220VAC but 2 pin sockets, no earthing i believe.

I just find it strange that the anomalous voltage seen is half mains voltage 110V half wave, is there any way that the transmitter had a floating chassis or some other problem, to cause the anomalous voltage to appear.


220 or 120 is almost never exactly at those values. Our 110 may be 110, 115, 120 and rarely 125. I've seen 220 in the UK vary between 210 and 235.

With the above in-mind.... An improperly grounded 120 powered chassis can be detected by seeing 69Vac between the floating chassis and real Earth ground. The 110 in question could easily be the same indicator for a 220 system.

The reason is that virtually all single-phase power is derived from three-phase. Divide the measured operating voltage by 1.73 and you will get the voltage seen when grounding is non-existent. Any variation from that calculated value measured is normally because or path resistance, moisture, and a bunch of other variables.
   
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Thanks wave that rules that out then  O0
   
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