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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #25 on: 2011-12-17, 22:25:17 »

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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #26 on: 2011-12-17, 22:28:16 »
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SM would have been laughing all the way to the bank, leave the transmitter on for a year or so and the receivers would continue to work

When you get your system up and running, you will appreciate the difficulty of transmitting wireless power at these low frequencies without the use of a beamed or other highly directional antenna system.


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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #27 on: 2011-12-17, 22:33:01 »

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Indeed i am not expecting this to be easy, I will be surprised to receive the signal 6km away and amazed if there's any power to the signal.

I am surprised we have not seen one of these being built and tested before, maybe no one believes it works  8)
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #28 on: 2011-12-18, 02:50:19 »
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Quote from: Peterae on 2011-12-17, 22:33:01
Indeed i am not expecting this to be easy, I will be surprised to receive the signal 6km away and amazed if there's any power to the signal.

I am surprised we have not seen one of these being built and tested before, maybe no one believes it works  8)

Just want to thank you for taking the time, energy and money to build one of these.

I have no doubts that it will "work",  but then one has to define what is meant by "work".

Have you defined what you expect from the experiment?

To me the most interesting aspect will be the electrostatic shockwave produced from  coupling with the use of large globes instead of standard dipole or other type of antenna.

One thing for sure, doing the experiment is better than talking about doing it, and there is always a chance for a new discovery. Thank you for that.


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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #29 on: 2011-12-18, 07:34:05 »

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Thanks ION

Well for me it's a success if i manage to see any sign of the transmission signal appear on my receiver between the 2 test places, if i receive as much as 1 watt of power i will be ecstatic.
The main problem i can see is getting the wire length to match on the 2 fine wire coils, i am not currently sure how i am going to do this apart from use all the wire on each spool, there's bound to be differences in spacing and tightness of each wind as well, leading to each coil having different turns and intercapacitance and i think if anything this could cause failure.
Maybe i can hook a neon in place of the globe and tune for max brightness.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #30 on: 2011-12-18, 17:11:12 »

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Tesla stated in an interview when he was much older and long after the large MT was dismantled that rather than a resonant primary and secondary, one could often do better with a regular transformer.

Ground is very important as it must be the opposite of the top terminal, so you will not get extreme density at the top terminal with a wimpy ground connection.

Richard Hull's Tesla Coil Group has a book out that is now available again explaining Tesla's CS notes.

As I understand it, the top terminal become the RE source, pulsed not steady.

Combine the TX-RX, tune for the RE effect back into the coil and you have TK.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #31 on: 2011-12-18, 17:27:47 »
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Peter, if you build a 20 meter tall, or maybe even a 10 meter tall antenna, and drive it with let's say 100 watts minimum,  I'm sure you will receive a strong enough signal 6 km away.   For example, radio stations radiate a strong enough signal that can be picked up at a distance of 50 miles or more, easily but they put out a bit more power and the height of the antenna, or the radiating element is matched to 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength.    Tesla on the other hand, does not want radiation, so he operates at frequencies way below the resonant frequency of the dipole.   He says so in a few things I read.   He wants to operate in the near field and couple between the receiver and "transmitter"  with minimum radiated loss.   This is the concept of resonant coupling, and he uses electric fields, while Steven Mark uses magnetic fields.

@ all,

I wanted to give you all a Xmas gift, but I got sidetracked.  Maybe next weekend I'll hook something up.  ;)

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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #32 on: 2011-12-18, 17:56:06 »

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Thanks guys.

Just going to look up Richard Hull.  O0

Sounds good EM looking forward to it.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #33 on: 2011-12-18, 19:04:11 »
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Just to make sure the difference is known....

The proximity effect causes a higher AC resistance to DC resistance ratio. Naturally, designing to avoid the proximity effect will also reduce inter-winding capacitance but that can be minimized by spacing regardless of current. The proximity effect increases with coil current. Most times spacing isn't enough.

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Something just came to mind..

This would explain some problems I had with a HAM linear amplifier many years ago. I had to re-tune whenever I increased the output power beyond a certain point.   The tank coil inductance must have been changing due to the increased AC resistance caused by this effect. Later rigs I had were broader band and the problem wasn't so irritating.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #34 on: 2011-12-18, 20:04:35 »

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GOOGLE:

"Condensed intro to Tesla Transformers by Eric Dollard.pdf"

"Tesla - Colorado Springs Notes 1899-1900 (1978).djvu"

Attached files are for Tesla's conversion methods using AC or DC, a couple of pages from the Colorado Notes that show use of a conventional transformer to drive the Magnifying coil(s), and Steinmetz showed that the MT could be driven with an induction coil, and a diagram with the loading coil that Tesla used for tuning.  Hull and his group eliminated this loading coil.

DS showed how to get the charging effect from the primary to the secondary - check his bench.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #35 on: 2011-12-18, 21:15:08 »

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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #36 on: 2011-12-19, 14:17:54 »

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Quote from: Peterae on 2011-12-17, 15:15:51
I have ruled out the need for silver wire due to the low frequency i will aim for, but because of the length of wire i cannot have much spacing between each coil otherwise it would end up huge, best i can do is basket weave the spiral wind.

the other thing that is puzzling me is that Borderland used a cap across the primary for tuning but Tesla does not in the patent.

how did Tesla tune his primary or know how many turns to use, or are we looking at transformer action here as opposed to resonant tuning action.

The dual capacitor (one on each side) is supposed to produce the strongest effect (most magnification), but is the hardest to tune.

In the CS Notes, Tesla would calculate resonance, but it would not always be where he expected it to be and was often very tight.  At resonance, the magnetic field and electric field should be in-phase.  Also, I always wondered if his gaps actually quenched completely, or always conducted slightly.

As I recall, Dollard was in the kHz range in the Borderland video  He also replaced the top terminal with an argon bulb.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #37 on: 2011-12-19, 14:52:59 »
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If so desired, you can actively interact with Eric Dollard at energeticforum, he has been posting there as T-Rex for the last few months...

Honestly, if OU is your goal, I don't think he is the definite answer in the least, but, if building a Tesla system like his is the goal, then most certainly, what he has been posting there recently spells it(how he did it) all out...

Just a friendly fyi...
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #38 on: 2011-12-19, 14:59:18 »

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Quote from: tao on 2011-12-19, 14:52:59
If so desired, you can actively interact with Eric Dollard at energeticforum, he has been posting there as T-Rex for the last few months...

Honestly, if OU is your goal, I don't think he is the definite answer in the least, but, if building a Tesla system like his is the goal, then most certainly, what he has been posting there recently spells it(how he did it) all out...

Just a friendly fyi...

Life is so unfair and ironic.  I'll have to check Eric's post out and see what he thinks.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #39 on: 2011-12-19, 15:01:02 »
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For FYI, Here is a reference link to one of his recent posts: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-23.html#post171091

And here is a link containing most all of his recent posts online in one page for easy viewing/printing: http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/EnergeticFormPosts
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #40 on: 2011-12-19, 16:11:12 »

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Quote from: tao on 2011-12-19, 15:01:02
For FYI, Here is a reference link to one of his recent posts: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-23.html#post171091

And here is a link containing most all of his recent posts online in one page for easy viewing/printing: http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/EnergeticFormPosts

It doesn't sound like he ever figured it all out, but he did get it to work.

Ask Eric if he ever held a magnet near a magnifier...might get an interesting answer.

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Peter,

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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #41 on: 2011-12-19, 19:07:40 »

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Wow!  Reading over the stuff on this link...

http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/EnergeticFormPosts

Man, what a mess.  I'll stick with my own ideas.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #42 on: 2011-12-19, 19:15:43 »
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Quote from: Grumpy on 2011-12-19, 19:07:40
Wow!  Reading over the stuff on this link...

http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/EnergeticFormPosts

Man, what a mess.  I'll stick with my own ideas.


Exactly...

He has confined himself to an self-isolated box in which he deludes himself by 'fighting against' mainstream physics, when in fact mainstream physics 'generates' many of his own postulates. Also, considering the fact that he has long since stopped experimenting with these things. Pretty much everything he has talked about, parameter variation, etc, is all 'within' 'normal' physics, just not 'used' as much. But, 'OU', certainly not in and of itself.

Sad really, but oh well.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #43 on: 2011-12-19, 19:58:50 »

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Thanks guys, so much to read.

First big achievement would be to just get a signal 6km apart
Second would be to draw some power
third would be to have a try at the magnifier

I will be lucky to get the first one going, still i will have a crack at it.

Copper wire arrived today, GREEN Yuck  :-\
I am going to try starting on the wooden former tomorrow
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #44 on: 2011-12-19, 20:14:07 »

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Are you going to start with the two-coil Tesla Transformer?

Try 6m before 6km.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #45 on: 2011-12-19, 21:07:40 »

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regardling the CW and CCW windings:

I think that they harness the natural spin direction of the ambiant aether vortices to aid in the separation of dense and less-dense aether. 

In the transmit side, denser aether is directed towards the center of the winding and thus to the terminal.  (inner spiral of hurricane denser than outer regions)

In the receive side, denser aether comes in at the terminal (just like an RE receiver) and is driven to the ground, inducing current in the outer winding and powering the load.

Very interesting that Tesla was able to discover this from experiments.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #46 on: 2011-12-19, 21:33:46 »

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G It only works if it's horizontal and parallel to the earth, because once it is stood up vertical, the direction is different if you stand in front(Clockwise) or behind(Anti Clockwise)the coil hence my comment about the TPU not working when upside down, it could be the same with the transference of electrical energy.

Yeah i will try coupling a few meter's apart infact i will need to tune them together i would expect.
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #47 on: 2011-12-19, 21:40:01 »

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Seems early TPU's didn't like having the polarity of the battery flipped around  :D
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #48 on: 2011-12-28, 13:01:12 »

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The Sphere's arrived in good condition  :) the weld is barely visible, although i now realize they are probably way to large for this build  :-[

The coil formers are almost built
   
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Re: Tesla Patent Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy « Reply #49 on: 2011-12-28, 13:32:23 »
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Brilliant!

Looking good so far :).
   
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