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Math professors( friends) from Hunter in Manhattan  calculated for me  -it should start ~ 18 years from now if  Energy  delivery is for free (mostly in China, India, Africa)


This is interesting; please ask your source to show his/her workings.
   
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Here we are guests of those dedicated to Open sourcing Free Energy device to the world

Not a discussion about anything else …
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I will write no more here !
Just making our hosts life mission “Clear”
   
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I do not.
We like it or not-
-FE is not good for the economy nor for quickly overpopulating Earth humanity due to a comfort of it, turning it to man made apocalypse due to the food shortage, trashing all nature in the process of their  expansion.
Math professors( friends) from Hunter in Manhattan  calculated for me  -it should start ~ 18 years from now if  Energy  delivery is for free (mostly in China, India, Africa)

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I can see that you keep pressing this gibberish all over without any proof by supposingly quoting someone else who possible did some math work for you to make it looking real. I’m just disgusted.

First of all increased comfort never lead to increased population, actually if you ever bother to take a peek at statistics or just ask someone to do it for you an easy find is population is decreasing as individuals get distracted by the huge availability of recreational habits.
Someone may find easier to foul 90% of individuals when they are in billions around, than trying to foul 90% of just few millions with plenty time and opportunity to search and research and especially questioning leaders. Regarding your gibberish about food shortage for a possible over populated planet 🤭  … are you considering is happening when free energy is handy to everyone ? Really ?

Although free energy might not be good for economy and is exactly how is supposed to be if you look what a huge pollution is making for the purpose of producing a lot of cheap useless garbage. They should disappear instantly in my opinion for the sake of the life of workers  and their hard work to extract minerals. And yes, they are trashing the nature and should be hold to account for this with their fortune and their lives. Stupid consumerism ! And I need to mention a huge waste a source of pollution from an ultra inefficient transport which also enhanced by consumerism sustained by banks and governments all over the world while pretending they care for life and people.
So, this perpetum mobile should be preserved ? Just because some gibberish about end of humanity based on pure science fiction ? 🤨
   
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I did respond  to the question but I was  friendly suggested  to reedit my answer and I think that  it was right advice.
Keeping into a subject matter is the way to go.
All  other addition, including statistical addition is a trap I do not need to go at.
You have different opinion  and that is good.
Diversity  is the key to progress
Wesley.

There is exactly ONE thing that I’d like to know: what are you doing on a overunity research forum ?

 I really don’t understand if you really contribute or just supervise when placing a bait. You keep promoting free energy is disastrous for economy/ humanity what is your interst in this kind of forums ?

This is anything else apart from diversity or progress.
   
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FE is not good for the economy nor for quickly overpopulating Earth humanity due to a comfort of it, turning it to man made apocalypse due to the food shortage, trashing all nature in the process of their  expansion.
Math professors( friends) from Hunter in Manhattan  calculated for me  -it should start ~ 18 years from now if  Energy  delivery is for free (mostly in China, India, Africa)

I can see that you keep pressing this gibberish all over without any proof by supposingly quoting someone else who possible did some math work for you to make it looking real. I’m just disgusted.
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I agree with you, Classic, that what you quoted is unfounded gibberish.
First of all, free energy would considerably develop the economy, not only by increasing usage in traditional sectors, but also by enabling the considerable development of either technologies that had already been mastered but that the cost of energy had made marginal, such as the desalination of seawater, or new technologies that are currently impossible, such as heating and lighting fields to grow crops in winter.
Improvements in the level of technology go hand in hand with improvements in the standard of living, and as you said, an increase in the standard of living does not lead to an increase in the population, but on the contrary to a decrease. It's a well-known fact that the higher the standard of living, the fewer children people have.
But the FE world is full of conspiracy theorists. Their authors spend their time misinforming, either knowingly or out of ignorance, not only about devices, but about everything around them.

Let me extend the debate a little. Some of these conspiracy theorists are environmental activists. Contrary to what they would have us believe, they don't want a green planet so much as the collapse of the capitalist system and the economy. If free energy appears, they will fight it, because they know it would be a new golden age for technology, which supports the consumer society they hate. So I'm not surprised to hear predictions of a planetary apocalypse in the event of FE, they make the same predictions based on climate or pollution. Generating fear is their method of consolidating power. Catholic priests were already doing the same thing centuries ago, promising hell to those who didn't follow God, by which they meant those who didn't follow them and their precepts. Replace "God" with "Nature", and you have the current situation.

As researchers of free or low-cost energy solutions, we need to understand that this mission is in the interest of people AND the planet, because it will lead to a reduction in the earth's population down to more reasonable levels, and its means of action, multiplied thanks to cheap energy, will be able to combat pollution and global warming. Of course, the production of FE must not be polluting, but I think that's on everyone's mind here.




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Kindness implies having the modesty to think that you have to master a subject before talking about it with the apparent assurance of a scholar that you are not. That's respect for others.
I have never yet seen from Stivep the slightest theoretical development with a logical basis in line with scientific knowledge, nor any practical realisation whose effects would not be conventional (contrary to what was claimed).
On the other hand, from my experience of his interminable speeches on ou.com, I have seen an incalculable number of smoky interpretations around conventional setups and peremptorily affirmed fabrications mixing the true and the false and anything around his subjects. Not even refutable, not even science.


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Dear Classic.
I do research , experiments   and I'm  being educated by others as well.- often but not always... mostly from time to time.
Value of  brains is  greatly appreciated and diversity too.
-There it comes a progress that doesn't have to be mine alone or mine at all.
The tools and equipment in my lab #1 are dedicated to electromagnetism, too but not only.
I have there particle science section, University  grade EDXRF,  Electron Microscopes,  Liquid nitrogen plant  and more.
This  particular lab is not  for profit , but for pleasure and my pleasure  is science.( about 700 instruments and devices)

It is very depressing to some experimenters blindly fallowing some concept  without expected  results when:
-Fundamental and very  basic  knowledge and advice  in area of impedance, propagation, SWR, Spectrum Analysis,  Network Vector Analysis,
Waveguides,  is a must. And it is good  to know or to have someone ready to help.
But before anything else in rank, importance, or position is a satisfaction of dedication applied at the right time and at the right place
often preventing  experimenters  mistakes, or their use  and abuse by some others around .

But kindness to each other Dear Classic. is a must, prior to  help delivery in front  of your nose.
I hope it helps.
Wesley

Hmm … as far as I know Nikola Tesla has achieved far more in science and tech without those goodies that you think might help. On the other hand most of inventors had succeed in their path just because of some mistakes they have made, which you help them to avoid 🤭 So, if we trust our instincts we can achieve some better results even without devices that could tell as that something which is working it shouldn’t.

Although I can’t see any good use of your goodies from your side as long as you are against free (to use) energy as you see it as disrupting the core of consumerism world while being man made apocalypse, denying perpetum mobile even everything as we know is a perpetum mobile and refuting over unity.

Following your logic we all should shut down and burn all patents as they shouldn’t ever be applied for the benefit of individuals or at least not as long as they don’t pay and being dependent on unscrupulous businesses or politicians.

And last, I will make a device that will give some choice or even some usable power freedom, free to use for everyone in spite of anyone who dare to say they don’t exist or never work and I will present it when they will be doing the work in 1-2k private houses.

I would take any advice or tests from you with a lot of salt
   
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- the reason it works is  because it obeys laws of physics.


... as we understand them now.
   
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We left perpetual motion behind as a nonsense in opinion of entire world science not only American.

Personally, I think paid shills hijacked the term "perpetual motion" because it goes against certain popular beliefs and implies the whole universe is in motion. If the universe is in perpetual motion this constitutes a "sea of energy" just waiting to be utilized. It's about science but also hope we could move beyond the primitive and superficial hunter/gatherer mentality many still have.

For example, "The energy in a single cubic meter of space is enough to boil all the oceans of the world.", Richard Feynman

Think of it this way, there are over a billion trillion stars like our Sun which have been radiating EM energy and high energy particles for billions and billions of years. Where do people think all that energy went if energy is always conserved?. There is only one logical answer and all that energy must be in continual/perpetual motion from one place to another. Of course real science is in agreement and it's well know all particles and objects made of particles are perpetually absorbing and radiating energy.

So how do people come up with the nonsensical beliefs that space is empty, contains no energy and the energy present is not perpetually moving from one place to another?. The fact we can see the Sun which is a star should have been the first clue. If the Sun's energy reached us it must have also occupied every space in between. Since this happens everywhere in the universe with every star all space must be full of energy and always in motion from one place to another.

We also see a similar basic failure in reasoning by those who believe global warming isn't real. They fail to understand the Earth is continually absorbing and radiating energy from the Sun. If the Earth cannot radiate all the energy it absorbed because of layers of insulating gasses then it slowly gets hotter. Thus what many cannot seem to understand is on the same level as grade school science. Even a six year old can understand this but apparently many adults cannot.

Which begs the question, if a majority of people cannot understand or accept concepts based on grade school science and basic reasoning then what makes them think they could understand how a FE device works?.

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Which begs the question, if a majority of people cannot understand or accept concepts based on grade school science and basic reasoning then what makes them think they could understand how a FE device works?.

AC

Why everyone needs to know how a free (to use) energy works ? I mean do they need to know all details or just the concept/principle ? How can someone expect to see all educated individuals knowing about this when whole academia reject perpetum mobile existence ? Life itself is a perpetum mobile as well, but I would say building a simple magnet you are building a perpetum mobile device. Some will argue is not because over time it lose magnetic properties which I agree, but … BUT it is an over unity device once is built.

Magnetic field is simply spectacular and defy all known physics laws.
If you cut a small opening on two flat surfaces of chunks of metal containing iron in a way that allow a copper wire to be place between them which can slide in and out when metals are hold together, you short a battery for a little touch with that wire while holding all together and they are magnetised and can withdraw the wire. Those chunks of metal do not display any magnetic properties yet they stay together until you shear them apart.

Any attempt to use expensive tools from 1+ mil usd gifted lab from suppressors of FE would be futile for any explanation, yet to refute over unity and perpetum mobile  :D
They need expensive tools to explain or to convince someone that anything that don’t respond/react to their device is a hoax and break known physics laws 🤭

I can only promise that I will try to invent many more things that such experts can’t explain as their knowledge is much more limited or force them to acknowledge public the truth.

Yet academia refuse to admit that Sahara can be used easy as power bank being a huge sand tank to store free solar thermal energy and could power any green houses for food production to put an end to starvation, even the whole world own them this taking in account all atrocities they did to Africa and Russia and China still doing it nowadays.
   
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Despite all, no patent office in entire world accepts "perpetual motion"
Science is not based  on beliefs but on models.
Reason  for higher education is to explain that, what kid doesn't understand yet.
And that is reality you are at my friend.
Opinion not supported by reupdated publications can still exist- Yes.. Especially when such publications are not available.
Does it change opinion of few or more than few of a random readers here?
My videos were visited by ~10 readers from here - This is  the random audience we talking about.
I hope it helps.
Wesley

Now you changed the tone for comedy ? 🤣

That’s why anyone who really want to go forward would never think to get near close to any patent office as it is a death trap. They get the first hand on anything and first thing they check the list for military or economy disrupting where they simply deny the patent and forcibly make you stop any research while confiscating everything related.

If anyone can get something workable MUST avoid patent office, the only way to achieve energy independence is to do the work, show results and teach others to replicate for own use.

10 users from this forum followed to see your vids 🤣 that’s impressive you should be proud the someone is able to listen your theories against fee that will bring The Apocalypse on earth … it might change if you are ever able to say FE will bring man made apocalypse on earth for those who try to suppress FE. This would make more sense on OVER UNITY RESEARCH forum.

Oh, no need for literature about magnets, just play with them as you aren’t able to explain anything, yet your lab is useless in this case. Would you say they don’t do anything and maybe they don’t exist because they are not in literature and not able to test them with your expensive toys 🤭🤣🤣🤣
   
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