Magnetic current ....

Duncan	Magnetic current .... « on: 2015-03-14, 12:48:30 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 695	Magnetic current ? What is that ? It used to be taught in schools by that term, it is, (alas), one of those things that has fallen from grace like the Erg, Its still there of course AKA reactive current in the modern idiom... And yes IMHO it is the very same magnetic current Edward L writes about in his book of the same name which I'm sure all of you are aware of.(and perhaps like me are a little confused by) There is at the heart of my consideration the outcome of hundreds of pages of different forum thread subjects which I have read and rather like a humming bird taken a little sip at each flower that might take my fancy. (and some that I didn't) It was reading through Peterae's thread on negative resistance that has finally inspired me to write, because parts of that seem on common ground I also see that many different skills are on this forum that could bring this prospect to a SIMPLE conclusion. In order for you to see the effect I consider here, It is so ridiculously easy to throw together using scrap and takes very little time to set up (perhaps ten minutes) I suggest you simply try it before going one step further. Nothing is very critical here the basic requirements and a little description on each Two lead acid gel batteries one DC brushed motor The batteries should be the same physical size type and preferably make, there the similarity ends one of these batteries is a battery in name only and is probably better regarded as a box of sulphate crystals which has reached the state where the internal resistance has reached the state which the text books refer to as approaching infinity. > ∞ here I am demonstrating such a battery on a 10 Meg ohm range some time ago , I don't recommend you doing this with your bench meter unless your good and sure what looks like a battery is no longer a battery … for obvious reasons . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-U3M99olqI The other battery should be if not brand new be at least serviceable in the usual context of the word . The motor should be brushed perhaps from a battery drill , model car or whatever you may lay your hand to …. I used the little motor you see in the video which came from a car seat vibrator. > no brush > no work On the down side of this (depending how you look at it) the totally sulphated useless battery gets rejuvenated and comes back to life which is fine unless your particularly wanting to study the COP>1 and negative resistance effect and then its very …. very … very frustrating ! Here's the same battery after running in this circuit, now quite capable of driving the motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjvNNWiK7Kg I wont be putting my meter on ohms across that in a hurry! At one stage the front case of that battery iced up around the terminals … most odd, (and exciting of course.) Anyway here's a fag packet scribble of this' keep it simple stupid' KISS circuit In practice it seems to make little difference if the negative or positive terminals are used as common or which way around the motor is connected. If I understood the how's or whys of this remarkable effect I could wax lyrical but I don't so I'm rather hoping you girls and boys will give it a whiz and see what you make of it. From something so deceptively simple it is clear that something extraordinary and powerful can happen. To make this stable, reliable and effective whilst understanding why it works is another matter. Which I suspect is going involve VSWR and physical resonance but in the mean time I hope one or two will have a couple of batteries about and be happy to test the temperature of this water Kind Regards Duncan --------------------------- How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ? http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf whilst we know little .. friends remember, In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. D. Erasmus

Bob Smith	Re: Magnetic current .... « Reply #1 on: 2015-03-14, 14:24:17 »
Jr. Member Posts: 71	Love it, Duncan! Here's something I dug up and posted on EF - linking to Lamare's post on what Bob Boyce termed a "catalytic layer" in his own setup. I proposed that this was happening in Turion's 3BG setup as well, which strikes me as similar to yours. http://www.energeticforum.com/238956-post2768.html I continued the thought on negative resistance a couple of posts down from that. I wonder if there's something about the sulfation of battery plates that actually turns them into negative resistors. FWIW - something that just came to mind, what is it about certain NPN trannies like the 2n2222 that enables them to show negative resistance qualities when reverse-biased between collector and emitter (base left open)? Could it reveal something to us about what's going on in your batteries? Could this principle be what Gabriel Kron was able to employ to get his neg resistors to work at Stanford? For your consideration, sir! Bob

Duncan	Re: Magnetic current .... « Reply #2 on: 2015-03-14, 18:09:17 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 695	Hi Bob thanks for the reply and interest This certainly does have its genesis in a few of the circuits you mention not least David Bowling’s 3 Battery system and the so called Tesla switch and of course Ossie Callanan's work http://jlnlabs.online.fr/projects/ipstst/html/ipstst11a.htm But really if considering an everlasting battery your treading on all the toes , and perhaps that's how it should be ! to amplify a little Tesla himself tells us to consider the whole circuit (not that there's much of a circuit to consider here) something out of the ordinary is happening here Bob and to try and quantify using standard dogma --- well I'm certain to be wrong but in the absence of anything else I'll try whilst omitting battery chemistry for the time being. On the understanding that this is a perhaps/ I think/ maybe …. Batteries and more specifically lead acid batteries are rated in Amp/ hours in rough terms if you have a 200 amp/hour battery and you pushed 20 amps through it for 10 hours (a bit more in practice) you could rightfully expect a fully charged battery which will deliver lots of energy. Its important to note charging the battery involves only two factors to wit … current and time and certainly not power or energy. Using a straight DC charging system the power and energy loss are inevitable, not so however if we use pulsed DC the general idea being to have DC to charge the battery (however fast it may be pulsing) whilst at the same time having all the advantages of AC the reason for that is on the surface quite easy to explain but difficult to do and hold …. I talk in terms of perfect here and of course nothings perfect still in theory at resonance in an electric circuit there is no energy transfer. There may be huge current flowing in a series resonant circuit or high voltage generated across a parallel resonant circuit (infinite impedance) but minimal energy. Do we want energy to charge a lead acid battery ? No its the last thing we want , it generates heat ! We want AMPS and TIME … NO ENERGY expenditure There are two resonant conditions in simple AC theory series and parallel the series condition (we must have a series condition because of the simple wiring) It causes high current at resonance and it doesn't take Sherlock to work out that's what our lead acid battery requires. In simple terms Bob I suggest that the lead acid battery can charge just as well from reactive or magnetic current as it can from DC current and that it should be possible to arrange things so the battery remains charged even though its rather like building sandcastles on shifting sand . Indeed one guy who knows a thing or two about lead acid batteries tells us loud and clear "This is what it turns out to be "Reactive power" and that's it" In this document http://merlib.org/node/5508 Sure Bob I think the sulphated battery has a part to play I think its a vehicle which manages to hold the circuit and load in series resonance for a useful period of time we need to think of something better … The catalytic layer ? perhaps but Bob if you think about it for a short while what I suggest here fits in and explains many systems .. Kind regards Duncan --------------------------- How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ? http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf whilst we know little .. friends remember, In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. D. Erasmus

Duncan	Re: Magnetic current .... « Reply #3 on: 2015-03-16, 07:57:46 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 695	I'm still digesting this useful information and some of its leads Bob … That the kernel of an idea of holding a battery resonant seems to hang together even if a bit tenuously bodes well … to fit the xtals into the picture gets harder and so I'll go with a few instincts, a circuit or two, and the reasons why, in the hopes that if any see anything obviously wrong you'll post before I waste time and money. Having said that I don't like shooting arrows with no target to aim at! I believe parallel resonance is synonymous with harmonics and the ½ wavelength .. that is a series of frequencies 2nd 4th 8th whilst series resonance is synonymous with overtones or 'odd harmonics' and the ¼ wavelength. 3rd 5th 7th 9th examples of this can be seen in transmitting xtals cut and series driven in overtone mode this sentence Crystals can be operated in a mode called overtone mode. Third overtone, and fifth overtone crystals are commonly used in the lower VHF range 30 to 150 MHz. Seventh and ninth overtone crystals are also used, is lifted from this paper http://www.northcountryradio.com/PDFs/070302007.pdf It is perhaps no coincidence that shifting to another field altogether what heavy power electricians call 'commutator action' follows the same sequence in crude terms regard this as EMF being harmonics and Bemf being overtones for instance. This extract from another field points out the same sequence Fourier analysis reveals that a waveform, like a square wave, that is anti-symmetrical about the 180 degree point contains only odd harmonics, the 3rd, 5th, 7th, etc. Waveforms that have steps of certain widths and heights can attenuate certain lower harmonics at the expense of amplifying higher harmonics. For example, by inserting a zero-voltage step between the positive and negative sections of the square-wave, all of the harmonics that are divisible by three (3rd and 9th, etc.) can be eliminated. That leaves only the 5th, 7th, 11th, 13th etc. The required width of the steps is one third of the period for each of the positive and negative steps and one sixth of the period for each of the zero-voltage steps Its from this paper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_inverter viewed this way terms which seem odd like splitting the negative used by Gray start to make sense . Bob I really don't know if the negative resistance effect of a sulphated battery is due to crystals …. nor do I really know if the harmonic EMF and overtone counter EMF armature reaction relates .. I think it does That all aside for reasons I've outlined I believe at least part of the equation is holding a lead acid battery in series resonance and so exposed only to the overtone progression regard less of load . At first it seems a difficult proposition but due to my idle nature my instinct is to seek out braver souls than me fighting the same problem in different area's and then pillage and plunder... must be the Viking in me! Thinking along those lines brought to mind 'coiler's' …. those who love their Tesla coils, these guys have spent years trying to devise circuits to constantly adjust to and hold ¼ wave resonance can I adapt one of those perhaps ? Here's a few examples http://danstrother.com/elysium/ or even simpler (perhaps) http://www.rmcybernetics.com/shop/induction-heater-circuit also the implications of the conditioned SS pipes you posted is just starting to sink in Bob .. as in it might be a stable Xtal structure that could also split off the overtones ?? Its simply has also got to be investigated, your post reminded me of this clip Aaron posted some time ago regarding conditioning the tubes .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo6iS9LIdmQ I'm going to let these thoughts percolate a little while , Then Its shopping time . In the mean time anyone with any specialist knowledge of breaking down signals or heavy power into its overtone and harmonic components even if it at first doesn't seem to relate for example although this guy doesn't seem to know an overtone from a harmonic this - http://www.transcat.com/media/pdf/PowerHarmonics.pdf So to be clear what I have in mind is some knowledge be it practical, mathematical, or science based that will enable us to control and utilize this effect which it is clear happens in every field of electrical work (all be it under different names) anything you girls and boys might post I promise will be gratefully hoovered up as long as I have the nous to understand it. "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 5, 6 7 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe Tesla Duncan « Last Edit: 2015-03-16, 08:29:39 by Duncan » --------------------------- How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ? http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf whilst we know little .. friends remember, In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. D. Erasmus