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It's turtles all the way down
Once, I was invited to some young folks apartment for dinner. When I got there, I noticed that many of the windows were open in the middle of a cold January day, and the electric heat was on full.

I asked why and she replied "We like the fresh air and besides the heat expense for this apartment is free we only pay a fixed rent, the heat expense is paid for by the landlord.

This is what I was referring to when I said there is always a price to be paid, energy is never really free when there is an attitude of irresponsible use. I  believe if it were truly free , as a society and for the most part, that we are not mature enough to handle such abundant energy properly . There would be incredible waste, conservation efforts would "go out the window" because there would be no point to it with energy "too cheap to meter ".

The irresponsible use of truly free energy would probably cause great devastation to the planet.

When the natural flow of rivers is plugged by hydroelectric dams, after the cost of the dam is paid for, the energy is virtually free, only the cost of maintaining the generators and transmission lines remains. But what is the actual cost of such extraction of energy to the environment and the earth?

My point was, with wind, solar, hydro, nuclear, bio, there is always a hidden, not so obvious cost to be paid.


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The irresponsible use of truly free energy would probably cause great devastation to the planet.

I hear you and I apologize for my remarks, I have such great hope to help make thing better and then I read the news and I question why I even bother. I get frustrated at myself and everyone else because I see no real workable solution here. I'm the kind of guy people give a problem and I solve it for as long as I can remember but I have no answer for this one. The technology is pretty straight forward but for the life of me I cannot understand the motivations of the people I would give it to.
In a nutshell, I get a little moody and confused when I see what going on out there in the world.

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My point was, with wind, solar, hydro, nuclear, bio, there is always a hidden, not so obvious cost to be paid.

I would agree, we seem to jump into technology with both feet and only after the fact do we see the problems we have created. Most hydro dams here have decimated the salmon populations. Not only have we destroyed their breeding grounds but if they manage to survive the massive ocean trawlers pick off what remains. It just blows my mind that we seem to destroy everything we touch and there is no foresight present.

In any case I apologize for my negativity and it just keeps creeping into my thoughts somehow, my new years resolution was to stop this shit but it is not as easy as I thought. I may need to become a hermit and ignore that crazy world out there, lol.

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No apology necessary. It's just one of the problems of the typed message, the information bandwidth is very low and subject to misinterpretation. Not anyone's fault, and since I hate typing, I often don't explain things in detail.

I'm sure if we met in a pub we would have no problem communicating, and we would be trading a few beers.

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Dear Allcanadian.

It's already happened !!   :)

Cheers Grum.

Wow, the times I've been down that road, makes me a bit home sick :)

regards

Mike 8)


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The trickle down effect of low oil prices is starting to to take effect here in Canada and when talking with a few people it became apparent they have no real understanding of the term Energy. They believe oil and gas has no relation to solar energy, The Sun, nor alternative energy and cannot seem to see past their own nose. I was thinking about alternative energy this morning when it occurred to me ... alternative to what?.

Oil and gas is simply a condensed version of solar energy because the Sun made plants grow which then died and were then buried and over time became condensed hydrocarbons. However we can do exactly the same thing with organic matter right now using pyrolysis so really what were talking about is nature providing the process to convert solar energy into hydrocabons when we speak of oil and gas. Now if solar energy is solely responsible for the oil and gas in the ground then how is a solar panel converting solar energy more directly alternative energy?. The whole construct would seem to be quite absurd to me because the terms conventional, alternative and free energy are simply minor variations of exactly the same thing.

So the only difference between natural pyrolysis and modern pyrolysis is that nature has stored the condensed hydrocarbons (oil and gas) for us in the ground from organic matter over a very long time frame. However even now intelligent people are starting to catch on and the Saudi's recently stated that even oil at $10 a barrel cannot compete with modern solar energy. The answer seemed obvious to me because modern solar energy converts solar energy almost directly in real time and we have no need to gather it by boring holes in the ground which is a primative concept at best. In essence we could say we are still making the transition from hunter gatherer's to farmers today and the modern solar farm will replace the need to hunt for dirty unsustainable resources.

Personally I have always been able to foresee the evolution of technology decades before it becomes mainstream and this one seems obvious. We are still thinking as primitive hunter gatherer's but will soon transistion to energy farmers in the near future and the lext logical step is ....?. The next logical step is that we will not hunt for or gather resources from long term solar energy to produce electrical energy, it will not be solar farms to convert solar energy however we will create systems which allows the energy to come directly to us with no intermediary steps. We extract electrical energy directly from the environment in real time as electrical energy with no conversion process. Here we can see the progression in technology however I have found few are asking the right questions nor have they been able to connect the right dots.

In my opinion there is no conventional or alternative or free energy and these are simply a convenient distraction from the truth, Energy is Energy. Fundamentally if there were no stars not unlike our Sun then the whole universe would be a cold, dark, lifeless space full of dust so I think we know where all our Energy comes from fundamentally.

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« Last Edit: 2015-03-12, 16:31:15 by Allcanadian »


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AC,
I agree that the sun is our ultimate source of energy, which by various modes of transmutation and transformation becomes manifested in more physical forms, like oil.
My problem with a lot of alternative energy movement is that it seems to support industries that continue to produce massive quantities of solar panels, wind generators of all sizes that will become obsolete, and will fail through wear and tear - the way of all things, I suppose.  But it's an industrial mass production model that dictates a script within which people seem content to function and dream, kind of like that movie with Jim Carrey living in a fake world (can't remember the name of it right now). The world was real enough for him, but at some point, he got the sense there was more out there for him.

The old paradigm within most still function keeps people within a small world of possibilities.
My main problem with this scripted paradigm is that it serves well those who control and benefit from the manufacturing industries and all the other parts of world economies that feed into and out of it.
There is no room for true subsidiarity, where the individual accesses power from the sun in potent ways that can power a household and render the grid obsolete.
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Note: Forest - I guess you and I were writing at the same time. I saw your post, and quite agree.
   
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I was also thinking of aliens this morning, lol. Now imagine an intelligent species that evolved so it could absorb energy as radiation and had a fundamental process not unlike a plant absorbing essential nutrients and water from it's environment ie. aquaponics. There would be no need to hunt nor gather anything, no need to farm or eat or excrete anything. So from the start they would have no real need to do what we spend a majority of our time doing and the whole hunter/gatherer/farmer agricultural sector would become meaningless. Now throw in a few thousand years of intelligent thought and knowledge compared to our last 300 years of absurdity and it seems pretty obvious how a species could operate on a level we hairless primates could hardly imagine. There in lies the problem I think, we cannot do what we cannot imagine and what most normally do in the general population is absurd and counter-productive.

I decided to make a fresh start and stop watching the news, I don't need to continually become agitated because of others stupidity and I believe it holds me to their primative level of thinking. I don't need to be reminded of the worst of humanity I need to aspire to be better than them and stop repeating their mistakes... a work in progress.

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But it's an industrial mass production model that dictates a script within which people seem content to function and dream, kind of like that movie with Jim Carrey living in a fake world (can't remember the name of it right now). The world was real enough for him, but at some point, he got the sense there was more out there for him.


I agree 100%.

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My theory is simple and evolved during years. Magnetic field is ether in circular movement like two tornados. So we are living on the mettalic ball powered by cosmic currents creating around magnetic shield which is able to push away every cosmic particles and we still think where is energy ?
   
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The old paradigm within most still function keeps people within a small world of possibilities.
My main problem with this scripted paradigm is that it serves well those who control and benefit from the manufacturing industries and all the other parts of world economies that feed into and out of it.
There is no room for true subsidiarity, where the individual accesses power from the sun in potent ways that can power a household and render the grid obsolete.

I find it strange that so many believe they are independent however all we have to do is switch that power off and they would understand just how completely dependent they are. No power, no heat, no water, no food in the stores, no fuel for their automobiles... they would be helpless. In fact they are completely dependent on others not unlike a child and it is simply a matter of time before they learn how irresponsible they have been in not planning for the unexpected. It is also strange that many consider this paranoia, ie.."Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion". No irrational is going through life thinking nothing unexpected will happen and someone will always be there to help us. It's odd that those same psychologists who would call someone paranoid would be the one's sitting in their cold, dark house freaking out because they don't have a clue what to do and are completely unprepared.

Personally I believe in the win/win scenario and I'm developing many different kinds of alternative energy technologies so I save on my power bill, so I am independent of others and I am prepared for the unexpected. It's not paranoid in my opinion it is something responsible adults should be considering if in fact they are as responsible as they claim.

I should note I think everyone here knows this and it generally applies to the younger generation and non-technical people in the general population.

AC


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AC
I brought you a movie to keep you up at night instead,
 been searching LENR Videos thru Roku on you tube and this was in the mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25RTDXFNWY

seems during the beginning of the Tsunami  in Japan these white Vapor Beasties [cloud vapor]
started coming out of the water in one spot, think about a good disguise on this planet
to hide from us terrestrials...

 Fog ,clouds .... steam Vapor in the shower... :o

   
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