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Light water anomalous heat « on: 2013-07-04, 21:39:25 »
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I'm very interested in understanding Light water anomalous heat  - and the history of researches.

 (As opposed to claims of "cold fusion", now "LENR", in heavy water = D2O...  I know that history!)

I've traced this as far as Peter Davey of New Zealand, who rec'd a NZ patent for his H2O device.  

But I'd like to find out about others who have contributed.  
Michael Nunnerley -- told me that his researches in this area began in 1989, independent of Pons&F.)

Dr. Ronald Stiffler -- when did his researches in this area begin?

Stanley Meyer -- did any of his work involve electrolysis?  not that electrolysis is REQUIRED for H2O-anomalous heat...

Keeley?  don't know much about what he did with water.

Rossi also Defkalion -- may have something with light water; when did their researches begin?

Any pointers in this area would be appreciated.

I'll be going to the ICCF-18 in 2.5 weeks at Univ of Missouri...  My hypothesis is that what Pons&F saw in heavy water, excess heat they claimed was due to "cold fusion" -- was not fusion and was not even NUCLEAR in origin at all; that they would have seen the same effects in LIGHT WATER H2O if they had pursued this sufficiently.

Yes, there are SMALL  LENR effects (not Quantitatively correlated with excess heat production ) -- on a separate railroad track from the "anomalous heat" effects!  IMO
   
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Re: Light water anomalous heat « Reply #1 on: 2013-07-05, 12:38:52 »

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Hi Steven

I can supply you with SEM and X-ray analysis if you require, this will show certain transformation of elements as it is known what we started with both in electrolyte and electrode.

I have supplied before an image of the electrode showing an effect of high heat at the electrode surface and also electrode pitting or melting however you want to view it, that part would be up to debate with the low voltage used.

Using high voltages and also controlling frequency and sharpness of polarity change, plasma and high measurable heat can be seen and reaction rate goes through the roof. I have not delved into heat anomalies, I have been more interested lately in electrical power generation directly due to electron and photon instability as I see it.

The primary electrode sees a sharp polarity change, "this is the key", I call it a sling shot effect on the electrons and photons, pull their orbits and slam them back making them over shoot, the atom gets totally disorientated. If an extraction grid is placed close to the electrodes, "and connected to a load", these electrons being slammed back are plucked off and go through the external circuit leaving the atom short of orbiting electrons, this is where I think elemental transformation takes place.

That was a very simple explanation, it goes a little farther than that I am sure, I am just not trained in the art so to say, but have a good handle on what is happening, and naturally increased power to the system creates much bigger changes.

Ron and I crossed paths due to RF electrolysis, this is not RF electrolysis, his devotion is using sec tech: for this, cop greater than 1 in relation of input power to H2 produced "very low level bench top system that I do not know how it could be industrialised", mine can be brut size :D


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Re: Light water anomalous heat « Reply #2 on: 2013-07-05, 14:56:31 »
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Hi Steven

I can supply you with SEM and X-ray analysis if you require, this will show certain transformation of elements as it is known what we started with both in electrolyte and electrode.

I have supplied before an image of the electrode showing an effect of high heat at the electrode surface and also electrode pitting or melting however you want to view it, that part would be up to debate with the low voltage used.

Using high voltages and also controlling frequency and sharpness of polarity change, plasma and high measurable heat can be seen and reaction rate goes through the roof. I have not delved into heat anomalies, I have been more interested lately in electrical power generation directly due to electron and photon instability as I see it.

The primary electrode sees a sharp polarity change, "this is the key", I call it a sling shot effect...

Thank you, Mike.  If you have time, please describe or send the SEM/X-ray analysis if you will -- I would be interested.  Thanks for your comments.
   
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Re: Light water anomalous heat « Reply #3 on: 2013-07-05, 21:46:54 »
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PhysicsProf,

I'm curious....

Why is particle radiation a requirement when speaking of nuclear activity?

There are a few cases where the emanations are simply much lower in frequency, even down to light, microwave & radio waves. Then there is the argument of wave-particle duality. Is there any reason why any particle, beyond electrons and photons, shouldn't exhibit this duality?
If some particles aren't excluded then I would think these same emanations may become far less energetic and possibly much lower frequency (as waves).

Examples:

OAUGD - One atmosphere uniform glow discharge has been known to also radiate waves in the RF range.
Betatrons used as a dirty signal source for electronic warfare not only caused conductive surfaces to be electrically and highly charged but also radiated a whole spectrum of radio jamming noise.
Then there is our recent look into the 'so-called' LENR attempts in normal water. When the emitted light reaches the blue-violet range there is almost always a strong radio signal associated with it. (Added note: IME, the emissions need not be a harmonic or hetero-dyne resulting from the driving signal.)

 

thanks,

John
   
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Re: Light water anomalous heat « Reply #4 on: 2013-07-06, 05:31:40 »
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PhysicsProf,

I'm curious....

Why is particle radiation a requirement when speaking of nuclear activity?

There are a few cases where the emanations are simply much lower in frequency, even down to light, microwave & radio waves. Then there is the argument of wave-particle duality. Is there any reason why any particle, beyond electrons and photons, shouldn't exhibit this duality?
If some particles aren't excluded then I would think these same emanations may become far less energetic and possibly much lower frequency (as waves).

Good question.  With any NUCLEAR reaction, there need to be reacting nuclei -- and products.  In order for energy to be released in a nuclear reaction, the products must be different from the reactants.  It is in REARRANGING the protons and neutrons (from reactants, to products) that nuclear potential energy is released.  In general, the product-particles or nuclei carry a lot of energy; but not always.

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Then there is our recent look into the 'so-called' LENR attempts in normal water. When the emitted light reaches the blue-violet range there is almost always a strong radio signal associated with it. (Added note: IME, the emissions need not be a harmonic or hetero-dyne resulting from the driving signal.)

 

thanks,

John

I would be most interested in hearing about your "recent look into the 'so-called' LENR attempts in normal water. When the emitted light reaches the blue-violet range there is almost always a strong radio signal associated with it."
What experiments are you referring to?  -  is there a link?
   
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Re: Light water anomalous heat « Reply #5 on: 2013-07-06, 18:37:58 »
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Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2013-07-06, 05:31:40
With any NUCLEAR reaction, there need to be reacting nuclei -- and products.  In order for energy to be released in a nuclear reaction, the products must be different from the reactants.  It is in REARRANGING the protons and neutrons (from reactants, to products) that nuclear potential energy is released.  In general, the product-particles or nuclei carry a lot of energy; but not always.

Obviously, nuclear physics isn't my bag. It almost was, at one time. With the clarity provided in your answer I now recall why I lost interest. There was too much contradiction and uncertainty in the why's & wherefore's. Sometimes the neutron and proton must be considered a single particle with a wave function and at any point in time that single particle may be a proton or a neutron. Then, some P & N are not considered to have a wave function<?>. It seems that the reality is sometimes changed so the math will work  :-\

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I would be most interested in hearing about your "recent look into the 'so-called' LENR attempts in normal water. When the emitted light reaches the blue-violet range there is almost always a strong radio signal associated with it."
What experiments are you referring to?  -  is there a link?

I was referring to experiments performed by OUR members and references to other similar experiments referenced during those discussions.
My results have never been posted as they had the same results as others with the exception that I was looking for all testable radiations (limited to my expertise and equipment).
My belief is that the majority of professional experiments had no such RF radiation because they used metal vessels and didn't believe such output would happen.
The experimenters tainted the experiments.

I had no RF output when using a metal (Ebay) vacuum chamber. When I went to one atmosphere and lab-grade water the emissions were broadband but peaked in the 700kHz range (fundamental) which varied with the plasma color.
   
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