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Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « on: 2013-02-04, 23:55:19 »
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One of the good comments: "Why don't you have ONE reference oscilloscope-test-ready board in Hong Kong?"

So this thread will be locked and will contain full details on ONE selected oscilloscope-test-ready board.  All Universities, Organizations or Individuals will be able to use this information as reference or comparison.  You are all welcome to replicate and improve.

This board will also be available for demonstration in Hong Kong.  It will not travel anywhere as other boards are available.  It may eventually end up in a Science Museum in Hong Kong.  It will be one conclusive evidence of overunity.  The Average Output Power is greater than the Average Input Power as measured by the ATTEN Oscilloscopes will be a scientific fact.  

Now 2 reference boards will be in Hong Kong.  One is based on the 2n2222.  The other is based on the 2n3055.

Please place your comments in the Chinese New Year Gift Thread.  
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #1 on: 2013-02-05, 00:17:30 »
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Picture of the reference Board.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #2 on: 2013-02-05, 00:34:19 »
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The circuit diagram.

Note that the two Atten Oscilloscopes require a common ground for their probes.  That is the reason for labelling the connection points carefully.  To be exact, the Input Voltage should be across the battery.  The adjusted Input Voltage should take the drop of the voltage across the ONE ohm resistor into account.  However, in actual measurements, the difference is only a few percent.  Thus the replicators may use the non-adjusted values for quick comparison.

Note also that the current direction for Input (A3 and A4 connections).  They need to be inverted for correct measurements.  The Atten Oscilloscope has the built-in invert function.  This feature was used in the experiment.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #3 on: 2013-02-05, 01:57:25 »
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First test on the reference board.

COP = 1.3

*** This is the only test when the COP showed positive values.  It is also the only test when the Input Current (Ch2 Vrms) value was greater than Output Current.  This may be taking the readings before the capacitor was charged for the first time.  After the first test, the capacitor will have some charge already stored even if the LED was OFF.
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #4 on: 2013-02-05, 02:49:48 »

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Quote from: ltseung888 on 2013-02-05, 01:57:25
First test on the reference board.

COP = 1.3

Lawrence, you should set your blue channel to 50mV/div.


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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #5 on: 2013-02-05, 08:54:11 »
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Second Test on the reference board.  The connections were taken down and deliberately rearranged differently.  As expected there was significant change to the resulting COP.

The COP was -3.68.

I am glad that the reference board showed negative COP values.  In this case, the negative sign came from INPUT. Average Negative Power implied Feedback circuit.  More Power went back to source than supplied.  The logical explanation was Lead-out Energy.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #6 on: 2013-02-05, 09:05:04 »
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Third test on the reference baord.  There was deiberate tuning.  The connections e=were taken down and reconnected while watching the two DSO screens.  The connection contacts were moved so that the highest difference in Input and Output Ch2 Vrms (current?) values were observed.

As expected, a bit of tuning increased the COP value to -5.18.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #7 on: 2013-02-05, 09:17:10 »
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Fourth test on the reference board.  This time the setting of the oscilloscope showing Input Current CH2 was set to 50mV as suggested by poynt99.  The circuit was disturbed from the previous position.

The COP dropped back to -3.49.

The above four tests showed the sensitivity of this particular board/circuit.  Connection changes did make a difference to the DSO readings.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #8 on: 2013-02-05, 10:35:41 »
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Fifth and last test on the reference board today.  Some tuning was done after the Input Current Ch2 was set to 50mV per division as suggested by Poynt99.

COP was -4.59

This reference board appears to be stable and results are reasonable as expected.
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #9 on: 2013-02-05, 22:04:50 »
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This is the sixth test on Feb 6, 2013 with different load on the reference board.

We can add LEDs in parallel at points B1 and B3 without changes to the board.  In this test, 4 LEDs were added.  OU was still detected.

COP was -3.28.

See the photos and DSO results...
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #10 on: 2013-02-07, 00:44:43 »
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More tests on the reference board.


This time, I would like to show the blinking behavior and how the change of object positions affected it.
(1)   The board and the LED was lighted by an AA battery for one minute or more.
(2)   The battery was then disconnected.  The LED remained ON for over 20 minutes and started to blink.
(3)   An ordinary deck of cards (magic?) was placed close to the LED.
(4)   The Blinking turned back to solid brightness for a few seconds and blinked again.
(5)   Was the board near some “resonance condition”?????

Was it the reason why so many JT researchers failed to catch OU?  No resonance???
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #11 on: 2013-02-07, 08:36:52 »
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Input set to 1.6V to simulate fully charged AA battery.

Output Higher and COP about the same.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #12 on: 2013-02-07, 15:04:52 »
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Regarding reply #10

Can you try this experiment with a voodoo doll or crystal?


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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #13 on: 2013-02-08, 03:07:19 »
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Quote from: ION on 2013-02-07, 15:04:52
Regarding reply #10

Can you try this experiment with a voodoo doll or crystal?

Tried different objects.  Reasonable size objects of different material produced same effect - changes blinking behavior.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #14 on: 2013-02-08, 03:43:20 »
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More tests on the reference board.

Input Voltage from DC Power Supply was set to the lowest value that still light the LED.  640mV.

COP = -2.44
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #15 on: 2013-02-09, 00:53:03 »
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The Chinese New Year is hours away.  The reference board is doing what it is supposed to do.  It is showing Average Output Power (as measured by the Atten Oscilloscope) is greater than the Average Input Power.  Multiple tests have been done and posted.  The chance of an experiment error is almost non-existent.

Now I would like to restate the theory or explanation here:

(1)   Normally, a 1.5V AA battery would not light a 3V LED directly.  The Joule Thief type winding allowed the Pulsed Output Voltage to be much higher than the Input voltage. (e.g. 5V vs 1V)  This will light up the 3V LED.

(2)   The Joule Thief Circuit Output Voltage is pulsed as can be seen on the Oscilloscope.  There were high Voltage Peaks but also there were idle times.  The frequencies of the pulses were so high that the naked eye would not detect it.  The effective power delivered to the LEDs was much lower than a comparable steady DC voltage.  That explains the high efficiency in lighting multiple LEDs and the much cooler environment.

(3)   The biggest controversy is the comparison of the actual Average Output Power and the actual Average Input Power.  The Atten Oscilloscope analysis showed that COP > 1.  If this were not an experimental error, some energy would have to be lead-out or brought-in.

(4)   In the detailed examination of the Oscilloscope waveforms, we could detect some sudden voltage peaks especially when the DC Power Supply was disconnected.  The Output Voltage frequency was seen to change.  These peaks could be explained by our textbook understanding of resonance.

(5)   The trick to producing OU devices is to remain at such COP > 1 conditions.  The simplest is to use Battery A to light LEDs and to recharge Battery B at the same time.  Do this in the COP > 1 condition.  Then swap Batteries from time to time.

(6)   Another bonus behavior is the observed Negative Average Power.  Positive Power is understood to be – source is supplying energy to the load.  Negative Power is understood to be – energy is flowing back to the Source.  Negative Power occurs even in standard AC power transmissions.  This will be another area of research.  Can lead-out energy flow back to the source as soon as the circuit is connected?

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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #16 on: 2013-02-10, 00:23:59 »
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The two packages: one for demo only and the other for Overunity Confirmation.

Happy Chinese New Year - Year of the Snake.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #17 on: 2013-02-11, 09:18:21 »
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As a Chinese New Year Gift for myself, I decided to build a 2n3055 reference board.  It took me three attempts to get it right.

The basic waveforms were similar.  The 2n3055 can take higher Input Voltage and generate more Output Power.

In this case, the COP was -3.77.  The average Output Power was 0.15 watt.

We can get different COP and different Output by varying the following:

(1) Input Power
(2) Toroid
(3) Capacitor
(4) Load
(5) Connection configuration
(6) Additional Components such as double toroids, Secondary coils, different configurations etc.

Obtaining an OU device is no longer firing in the dark.  Thank you to the Almighty.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #18 on: 2013-02-12, 01:31:17 »
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The 2n3055 board lighting 69 LEDs.
   
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Re: Full details on an oscilloscope-test-ready board « Reply #19 on: 2013-02-12, 11:47:12 »
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Quote from: ltseung888 on 2013-02-12, 01:31:17
The 2n3055 board lighting 69 LEDs.
Staring at Slide 16 and 17.

It is clear from Slide 16 that the Input Voltage is positive and the Input Current is negative.  The resulting Input Power must be negative.  What does that tell us?

(1) There is a capacitor in parallel with the DC Power Supply.  When there is pulsing, a back EMF will be generated.  The back EMF will have higher voltage and can generate higher current.  The capacitor can take in such current.

(2) This may explain why that some boards can light LEDs for over 8 hours.  The Pulsing and hence the back EMF would recharge the capacitor.  The capacitor can then supply Input Power to the circuit.

(3) The observation was that the Input Power was negative.  In slide 16, the entire fluctuating current (CH2) waveform was negative.  The entire Input Voltage was positive.  This would give negative Input Power.

(4) If Negative Power is equivalent to Feedback energy, the Feedback power/energy totally overwhelmed the Input power/energy.  In other words, the battery or capacitor was not supplying net energy to the circuit.

(5) Since the LED was ON, Energy must come from somewhere.  Lead-out or bring-in energy was the logical conclusion.

This experiment can be repeated and can be confirmed with different make and Model oscilloscopes.  Will this type of experiment confirm Overunity by itself?

Should every overunity Claim be verified by such an experiment when possible?  Should we trust the Oscilloscopes?  
   
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