I see a lot of people doing different things but I'm not sure they understand how FE works.
First, there are a few simple rules.
1)Energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed, key word transformed.
Right out of the gate you got bullet point 1 wrong. The Law of Conservation states that energy can only be transferred and transformed, not just transformed as you stated. The issue with your comment is that you are modifying the facts to better support your argument, but if stated correctly it would work against your argument (as you did so eloquently yourself at the end of your post).
It appears your stuck on the transform part, and think that it’s the only possible underlining principle an FE device incorporates. Then, you go on to spread internet falsehoods regarding refrigeration COP, please stop.
As someone who has been in the industry for decades
it is a pet peeve of mine when internet theorist armed with a Wikipedia education make false claims regarding the COP of systems they know nothing about. A refrigeration system
DOES NOT transform energy as a product, it only can
TRANSFER energy as noted by the law (Point A to Point B energy transfer). In a refrigeration system, COP is a
variable (unknown to many) that represents energy transfer, and that is completely different from the efficiency of a diesel driven generator. Those systems do not transfer energy, they convert energy through a specific transformation process.
In a refrigeration system, the rated efficiency (aka nameplate data) IS ONLY at a specific set of conditions. The BTU output
of ALL refrigeration systems is variable even with a constant volume compressor. You would only know this through real world experience.
As an example. Residential AC systems (aka high temperature refrigeration) are rated at 95 Deg.F Outdoor Air conditions. So when we are coupled with an engineered indoor evaporator system and about a 78 Deg.F air temperature traveling across the face of the evaporator moving at a rate of an estimated 400 CFM per ton of cooling and a speed of 400 - 650 fpm velocity at 95 Deg.F outdoor air I will have rated nameplate BTU transfer and achieve rated COP.
BUT when outdoor air temperatures rise above rated outdoor (engineered) design of 95 Deg.F, guess what, the refrigeration effect is reduced and you can no longer achieve nameplate transfer even if indoor conditions are stable within design specifications
(but that is not a possibility).So in other words your system gets smaller and can’t deliver nameplate BTU transfer (per hour). Here nameplate COP plummets.
Just ask anyone in Arizona if a 5-ton AC system sitting in 115 Degree heat actually actually delivers 60k btu’s. Anyone who thinks it does has no knowledge of the physics associated with the transfer of energy utilizing a refrigerant. It
GETS BETTER, what do you think happens when your AC system, that is rated for nameplate btu/hr @95 DegF, is operating well below that value, like 78 DegF. (outside air) Well guess what, compressor amps drop dramatically and COP goes through the roof on the grounds that now, per pound of refrigerant, I can capture and transport more heat energy and that leads to greater nameplate capacity at greatly reduced energy consumption. Not uncommon at all for a 5-ton system (60k btu/hr) to deliver over 75k btu/hr (been there done that with industrial systems). This is because refrigeration is based on energy transfer, at specific conditions, and that is a variable driven by the temperature/pressure relationship.
So when we speak of a FE device we are referring to a device which converts or transforms naturally occurring energy already present.
What do you mean by
when WE speak? Who in the heck is WE? A system that is based on energy
transformation is maxed at 100% output (excluding losses). A system based on these principles can never achieve overunity. This should be common knowledge (and sense) and WE may want to study the Law of Conservation.
In effect, what everyone is looking for is Maxwell's Demon and they would do well to research it.
Certainly not me. If your looking for a more efficient energy TRANSFORMATION technique all hope is lost because the Law of Conservation, as you quoted incorrectly at the start of your post, will not allow you to transform more energy than what you are starting with. But, a more efficient energy TRANSFER technique is the only clear and real possibility.
In fact, most FE inventors claimed the output is independent of the input. The input does not create the output the input controls the process which determines the output.
I agree with you here and much like a refrigeration system the compressor, plays a part in the amount of energy that is transferred from point A to point B. Output being independent is stated by FE inventors because they know the difference between energy transfer and transformation. Here is a little
mind fu@k for you. Even in the OFF cycle (ie compressor not running) a refrigeration system is transferring energy with no power being utilized. How is this possible? Is it now overunity? Has nothing to do with transformation of energy BUT everything to do with understanding energy transfer.
In effect, the input energizes Maxwell's Demon which then allows it to control the flow of energy within the system. Similar to powering up a circuit to control some traffic lights. The energy in the circuit is not the energy of the traffic, the circuit only controls the traffic.
You should have stopped at the prior statement, now your making claims of flow (which is a transfer) of energy where at the beginning of your post you chose to educate people that the keyword in the Law of Conservation was
transformed. Engineering distinguishes between transfer and transformation.
So if you correct your statement to fall inline with your logic it would say “
In effect, the input energizes Maxwell's Demon which then allows it to control the transformation of energy within the system”. Do you now see how that mindset is flawed? Your Demon will never transform more output than input (requires understanding of conservation). The solution has to be in the energy transfer.
I am not trying to be a jerk here, your understanding of conservation, along with energy transfer through the refrigerant process and its associated COP calculation are all armchair internet based. I have a hard time sitting idle when falsehoods are distributed as if it were grounded theory based on decades of real world engineering experience. I am sure I can learn from you, but this isn't neither the forum or the subject matter. I also agree with the others in that you do not have an FE device.
-JA
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