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Allcanadian	Viktor Schauberger's devices « on: 2021-02-07, 19:03:20 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	I have been revisiting Viktor Schaubergers work which isn't that complicated... We take water(H and O) and air(CO2, N and O) then split the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen with a HV plasma under a vacuum. The Hydrogen/plasma is very reactive and Viktor used a copper/silver catalyst to bond the Hydrogen to the Carbon of the CO2. The result was a hydrocarbon (CH) and Oxygen which has a smaller volume producing a higher vacuum able to perform work. You should recognize this process because every plant does the same thing as photosynthesis. It takes in CO2, H2O and energy, then reforms it to produce a higher density Hydrocarbon and Oxygen. What most do not see, as Viktor pointed out, this produces an implosion not an explosion. Burning CH and O produces heat and expansion. While reforming CO2 and H into CH and O produces a vacuum and contraction. Now imagine what large machines which utilize this natural process could do. They would take in vast quantities of atmospheric CO2, reform it to CH and O as well as producing large amounts of power. This power could be used to generate electricity while scrubbing the atmosphere of excess CO2... problem solved. Gentlemen, pretending our problems don't exist is not the way forward and you may want to take a look at Viktor Schauberger's work. --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #1 on: 2021-02-07, 20:01:02 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Here is a good starting point... https://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Water_and_Sanitation/Hidden_Nature-The_Startling_Insights_of_Viktor_Schauberger.pdf Hidden Nature: The startling insights of Viktor Schauberger Here I would point out many have become obsessed with the properties of water and the vortex in Viktor's work. They falsely assumed they had some magical or mysterious properties they could not understand. This is not the case and it's important to understand Viktor's perspective. He was a naturalist and everything he saw was from the perspective of nature and how it moves, how it works. The vortex... The vortex in his devices was a means to an end based on known scientific principals. Viktor used a vortex much like we would use a centrifugal separator to help break things apart or classify things based on density. A vortex produces density gradients perpendicular to the flow and also increases the surface area relating to the reaction contact area. The vortex was used as a machine, an efficient means to perform a specific function. It was not the be all, end all of his work only an efficient way of doing something. Viktor was a naturalist who also tend to be very good observers who notice all the small details most miss. What Viktor observed is that the swirling motion of air has not only mechanical properties but also Electro-Magnetic properties. Water... Water has many properties however the one Viktor was most concerned with was when liquid water was broken up into a vapor. If a drop of water is broken up it's surface area increases exponentially. That is a sphere split into two halves has a greater surface area and if we continue splitting them the total surface area increases dramatically. Now if said droplets of water were in a charged environment as they continued splitting there energy carrying capacity as a surface charge would also increase. This is why Viktor said his experiments related directly to those of Lord Kelvin and his water drop electrostatic generator. Viktor said he could generate over one million volts from a single drop of water. This is how he created a very high voltage plasma inside his devices. So most of what people have come to believe with respect to Viktor Schauberger's work is far removed from the facts of what he was doing. Yes it was about nature and natural phenomena and science is the study of natural phenomena. In this respect Viktor was a true scientist building devices designed to work with nature, like nature. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Centraflow	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #2 on: 2021-02-08, 08:05:16 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021-02-07, 20:01:02 Here is a good starting point... https://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Water_and_Sanitation/Hidden_Nature-The_Startling_Insights_of_Viktor_Schauberger.pdf Hidden Nature: The startling insights of Viktor Schauberger Here I would point out many have become obsessed with the properties of water and the vortex in Viktor's work. They falsely assumed they had some magical or mysterious properties they could not understand. This is not the case and it's important to understand Viktor's perspective. He was a naturalist and everything he saw was from the perspective of nature and how it moves, how it works. The vortex... The vortex in his devices was a means to an end based on known scientific principals. Viktor used a vortex much like we would use a centrifugal separator to help break things apart or classify things based on density. A vortex produces density gradients perpendicular to the flow and also increases the surface area relating to the reaction contact area. The vortex was used as a machine, an efficient means to perform a specific function. It was not the be all, end all of his work only an efficient way of doing something. Viktor was a naturalist who also tend to be very good observers who notice all the small details most miss. What Viktor observed is that the swirling motion of air has not only mechanical properties but also Electro-Magnetic properties. Water... Water has many properties however the one Viktor was most concerned with was when liquid water was broken up into a vapor. If a drop of water is broken up it's surface area increases exponentially. That is a sphere split into two halves has a greater surface area and if we continue splitting them the total surface area increases dramatically. Now if said droplets of water were in a charged environment as they continued splitting there energy carrying capacity as a surface charge would also increase. This is why Viktor said his experiments related directly to those of Lord Kelvin and his water drop electrostatic generator. Viktor said he could generate over one million volts from a single drop of water. This is how he created a very high voltage plasma inside his devices. So most of what people have come to believe with respect to Viktor Schauberger's work is far removed from the facts of what he was doing. Yes it was about nature and natural phenomena and science is the study of natural phenomena. In this respect Viktor was a true scientist building devices designed to work with nature, like nature. Regards AC Nice post AC Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #3 on: 2021-02-08, 18:00:56 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	On natures motion... Viktor Schauberger often referred to "natures motion" and many might think he was talking about vortex motion. However Viktor always spoke conceptually which many find difficult to understand, it was the concept he wanted to convey. In Viktor's world there were two primary motions which dictate all motion... 1)Expansion/radiation/degeneration/death 2)Contraction/concentration/generation/growth Viktor recognized that society was consumed with the concept of expansion, degeneration and burning stuff. What nature builds we tear apart for energy and other needs however the notion of generation and growth is foreign to us. Viktor often used the tree as an example of how a single seed planted in the ground could concentrate energy to grow into a 200 foot tree weighing thousands of pounds. In this respect the concept of growth is foreign to us and most cannot understand how we could concentrate energy in that way. Viktor often expanded on the fact of how were doing everything wrong however I would like to concentrate on what we can do right. We were taught all about Entropy, the concept of how energy radiates but we we never taught the alter ego of how it concentrates. We could ask... if energy always radiates out from a point then how did the energy get to that point in the first place in order to be able to radiate?. What mechanism concentrated the energy to a point before it was radiated?. It would seem were missing one half of the equation in my opinion. The fact remains that for something to expand it must have contracted at some point prior to the expansion and understanding contraction, generation and growth is our goal. We could ask... how does something concentrate energy or mass?. What mechanisms are involved, what forces?. In every respect it's about balance, for something to expand it must first have contracted in order to expand. Viktor's analogy of a tree is a good example and the roots form a cone concentrating to the trunk and also forms a cone upwards expanding from the trunk. It can move hundreds of gallons of water a day, concentrated or absorbed from below and expanding or evaporating above. That which is below is like that which is above, moving a medium in the same direction. It was this natural process relating to the concentration/expansion of a medium which Viktor based his technology on. In order to really understand Viktor's concepts I found it helpful to retrain my mind and way of thinking. When I looked at everything I looked for contraction, concentration, generation and growth. I excluded what we normally perceive and concentrated only on these concepts. As it turns out it's a much easier to find something were looking for than not. Sometimes it's that easy... Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #4 on: 2021-02-12, 23:01:30 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	With respect to Viktor Schauberger's work, and after reading all the books this may be the most insightful literature I have found to date. https://bluestarenterprise.com/articles/viktor-schauberger/vitor-schauberger-implosion-the-path-of-natural-energy/vitor-schauberger-implosion-the-path-of-natural-energy.pdf Part I, IMPLOSION VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER and the PATH of NATURAL ENERGY Compiled by Riley Hansard Crabb Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Cadman	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #5 on: 2021-02-15, 01:15:09 »
Full Member Posts: 152	Being a shut-in at the moment I've been reading about Viktor Schauberger. Something caught my eye in his French patent 1,057,576 at Rex Research and thought you might find it interesting. It was this drawing, which I named helical_vortex.png. I don't know why it caught my attention, it just did. I made a model of it and was surprised again. Notice anything significant? ------------------------ Viktor Schauberger's devices helical_vortex.png (22.14 kB, 129x285 - viewed 830 times.) Viktor Schauberger's devices vortex_side_view.png (30.35 kB, 371x511 - viewed 779 times.) Viktor Schauberger's devices vortex_top_view.png (62.76 kB, 549x525 - viewed 761 times.) --------------------------- 'Tis better to try and fail than never try at all

bte	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #6 on: 2021-02-15, 04:37:56 »
Full Member Posts: 208	Quote from: Cadman on 2021-02-15, 01:15:09 Being a shut-in at the moment I've been reading about Viktor Schauberger. Something caught my eye in his French patent 1,057,576 at Rex Research and thought you might find it interesting. It was this drawing, which I named helical_vortex.png. I don't know why it caught my attention, it just did. I made a model of it and was surprised again. Notice anything significant? Golden ratio?

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #7 on: 2021-02-15, 14:42:37 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Cadman You may have noticed I purposely ignored any information regarding the vortex. This is because almost everyone tends to concentrate on it versus Viktor's actual work. The vortex is a red herring and means little which is why nobody has made any real progress in this field. There is no need for magic geometry or golden ratio's. We create these artifacts of some kind of importance in our mind. The vortex was simply a means to organize the flow of high voltage plasma producing reactive forms of oxygen and hydrogen. I would suggest listening to Viktor, do the opposite of everyone else, do not go down the vortex rabbit hole everyone else has. It leads nowhere. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #8 on: 2021-02-15, 22:22:36 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Cadman With respect to the kind of motion Viktor said was required, it was an inward to axial cycloid-space-curve-motion. So it was not only the line of the vortex you depicted in your post and the line itself must rotate about itself like a whorl pipe. The line rotates about itself as it is forced down the cone of the vortex. It's very hard to imagine everything going on because we have flows within flows within flows occurring within a three dimensional space. How Viktor was even able to understand how these flows interact in water like a stream is beyond me. In any case the bulk of the process relates more to electro-magnetic effects than it does the flow characteristics. This is true because John Worrell Keely, Staley Meyers and many others were producing the same effects without all Viktor Schauberger's very complex flows. All these inventors stated the structured water produced, when exposed to pressure or heat would produce a cold expansion 2000 times the original volume. This is the effect everyone is looking for not some overly complex vortex motion. It was simply a means to an end and the end was structured water rearranged on the molecular level to bind large volumes of atmospheric gasses within itself. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #9 on: 2021-02-17, 07:47:56 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	On the nature of Energy... I can ask many people questions about any number of things but when I ask them "what is energy" nobody seems to have a rational answer. What is a magnetic or an electric field?, what is the gravic field?, what is inertia...nobody has any answers?. We presume to know or understand so many things and yet everyone I ask has no answers to anything that really matters. Why is this?...why is it nobody seems to have any answers?. Apparently all is known, by some greater force or entity, however that does not change the fact that when I ask a question nobody seems to have an answer. I want to know the answer, I want it, and if the supposed answer only leads to more questions then it's not a real answer. As well if the answer cannot be justified or proven then it's not an answer, it's just more bs under the guise of an answer. When I ask a question I demand a reasonable answer which can be proven or justified and anything less is just bullshit... This is the reality Viktor Schauberger and most other inventors have to deal with. Simply believing anything is never enough and if we cannot drag what we believe into reality then it means nothing. Which begs the question, how do we make what seems impossible... possible. Viktor touched on the problem and he was very critical of science even though he practiced science. Viktor proclaimed science was a prostitution of the facts even as he practiced science. A methodology whereby we form a theory based on natural phenomena then prove the theory with experiments which is exactly what Viktor did. In effect Viktor answered his own question by his actions and despite his claims he was a scientists in every sense of the word. The lesson here is that we can believe anything we want however reality remains and it is what it is despite our beliefs. Whatever answer we find must be a real answer justified with a reasonable explanation and proof. Anything less is just wishful thinking or imaginary however the kicker is we do not know what others could imagine... Others could imagine anything and what we think impossible could be normal for someone else. What is normal?, for me the conversion of what Viktor called UR or natures energy is normal and burning stuff seems barbaric. I mean really, burning shit to produce heat is the best we can do?. So as primitive man continues to burn stuff another man is converting radiant energy from a star with solar panels to produce energy. We can do better and we will... --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Cadman	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #10 on: 2021-02-17, 20:15:49 »
Full Member Posts: 152	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021-02-15, 14:42:37 Cadman You may have noticed I purposely ignored any information regarding the vortex. This is because almost everyone tends to concentrate on it versus Viktor's actual work. The vortex is a red herring and means little which is why nobody has made any real progress in this field. There is no need for magic geometry or golden ratio's. We create these artifacts of some kind of importance in our mind. The vortex was simply a means to organize the flow of high voltage plasma producing reactive forms of oxygen and hydrogen. I would suggest listening to Viktor, do the opposite of everyone else, do not go down the vortex rabbit hole everyone else has. It leads nowhere. Regards AC AC, I disagree here. It's not a red herring, it's the natural movement Viktor based all of his designs on. You can't understand something if you don't fully understand the basic premise. The movement is centripetal and from what I see, follows the golden ratio as a part of natural motion. I believe he referred to the shape as 'part of an egg'. Not that I fully understand, mind you. Viktor's early patents were for inducing a spin in pipes to emulate the natural winding course of a stream which causes a rotation of the water flow. He induced the spin with protrusions that caused vortices on the inner pipe surface. It's my understanding these vortices acted sort of like water roller bearings on the inner wall of the pipe and resulted in a rotation of the central column of water, and also resulted in reduced friction loss from the pipe wall. In later patents these same effects are also produced with a specially shaped pipe, twisted and wound as you mentioned. Another effect of note is this motion also produces a higher temperature of the water at the wall, and a lower temperature and accelerated flow in the central column of the flow. A flow within a flow. These temperature differences can be quite extreme. From patent #1,057,576: "With the possibility of regulating the rotational velocity of such pipes or pipelines, not only can the discharge velocity of the media be increased and with it an increase in mechanical efficiency and output, but also the speed of the molecular transformation can be controlled." Is this 'molecular transformation' the creation of the structured water you mention? This is a very interesting subject. --------------------------- 'Tis better to try and fail than never try at all

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #11 on: 2021-02-18, 17:47:18 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Hey Cadman Quote I disagree here. It's not a red herring, it's the natural movement Viktor based all of his designs on. You can't understand something if you don't fully understand the basic premise. The movement is centripetal and from what I see, follows the golden ratio as a part of natural motion. I believe he referred to the shape as 'part of an egg'. Not that I fully understand, mind you. I agree with your disagreement and red herring was the wrong word. Almost all free energy devices rely on a similar kind of motion with respect to the medium there trying to move and the context. There is a common thread between most of these devices many have overlooked. What I meant to convey was that the kind of motion is not the be all end all of why these devices work. The kind of motion is simply one part of the whole equation. Quote Is this 'molecular transformation' the creation of the structured water you mention? Yes I believe it is and John Keely and Stanley Meyer appear to have produced similar effects by different means. This led me to believe that there are many ways of doing this. I try not to get too hung up on one inventor but try to see the common elements in there work. There is still one piece of the puzzle I have yet to figure out beyond the process of how these devices work. Viktor claims the molecular transformation involves a process where the elements (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and possibly nitrogen) are bound as a new kind of molecule by magnetic forces. The geometric form or structure is such that it allows it to hold a large volume of gasses within the structured of the water. He seems to imply the forces are magnetic and not electric which I have trouble wrapping my mind around. If I can't see it in my mind I can't understand it and this part of the equation continues to elude me. It is very interesting stuff because the learning curve is crazy and there is so much we don't know. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #12 on: 2021-02-18, 20:40:35 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	On replication here is some interesting stuff... https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=schauberger&type=things&sort=relevant https://www.instructables.com/The-Repulsine-Project/ I found the Repulsine project really interesting. Note there using the same language as Centraflow when he describes the effects of how he believes the tpu works. Quote And a well know natural sequence explains the change of distance between the waves. If you take two harmonic waves like 440Hz and 880Hz and play them the resulting tone sound harmonic too. Change one frequency just but a few Hz and you hear a pulsating tone. The same happens in the wave discs with the media passing through. It is set to swing at two frequencies that are slightly out of tune. In return the molecules are stretched and compressed also resulting in a pulsating and resonant swing. A similar thing already happened in the inlet areas where the medium is set into a rotation that matches the frequency. To play with the same numbers as above the rotational speed could be equal to the angular velocity of the medium at 220hz or 1320Hz. All combined would have caused an amplitude peak and multiplication in the region of 2.45GHz. It's not a coincidence and many people are starting to put all the pieces together. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #13 on: 2021-02-22, 23:21:06 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	On Viktor Schaubergers notion of our senseless toil... Viktor Schauberger had many wise things to say on the Earth and water. Many predictions he made have come true and one showed up in the news recently with respect to soil infertility. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/30/topsoil-farming-agriculture-food-toxic-america Quote The modern combination of intensive tilling, lack of cover crops, synthetic fertilizers and pesticide use has left farmland stripped of the nutrients, minerals and microbes that support healthy plant life. Similar problems happened to many ancient cultures and intensive irrigation eventually deposited calcium and magnesium over time which also renders the soil infertile. Now add continuous cropping, massive amounts of fertilizer and pesticides, low crop residue and we can see the direction this is going. As Viktor said once the groundwater disappears and the soil microbes start dying the land becomes infertile. Much of the farmland was broken up for farming a long time ago and was called black soil which had a high carbon content and nutrients. As crops were pulled off it became more of a tan color and if not reclaimed becomes a desert. It's kind of amazing that some people like Viktor Schauberger could see all this coming almost 100 years ago. However after reading his work it sounds more like common sense. We cannot keep taking from nature and giving nothing back, it simply doesn't work long term. However there is a solution. Some ancient cultures used bio-char which I have been experimenting with for a while. We basically move dead tree's and organic waste to a location, start it on fire then bury it once the surface becomes black and burned. The residual heat turns most of the material into charcoal due to a lack of oxygen and the process is called Pyrolysis. So it is possible to clear a forest of deadfall to promote new growth, prevent large forest fires and remediate barren soil... Win-Win Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #14 on: 2021-02-25, 17:55:41 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	On Viktor Schaubergers technology and fluid dynamics... Viktor claimed he could reduce the friction of a fluid moving in a vessel or pipe to zero and to my knowledge nobody ever figured out how he did it. It took a fair amount of research and experiments to find the solution and as always the solution I found was very easy and intuitive. Why reduce the friction or drag?. The first problem is that the power required to overcome drag and move a fluid rises by the cube of the velocity. The drag forces increase rapidly and when the velocity doubles the drag forces do not double they quadruple. That's a big deal. How do we reduce the friction like Viktor did?. Viktor's solution was brilliant and based on his observations of nature, it relies on several key effects. 1)Pressure acts outward pushing a fluid against the exterior walls increasing the density and drag forces. While a vacuum acts inward pulling the fluid away from the exterior walls decreasing the density and drag forces. In this respect Viktor wanted to have the fluid contract inward to the center away from the exterior walls as a spiral flow moving through a vacuum with zero drag. There is no drag in outer space because there is no atmosphere, it's a vacuum, this is what Viktor was looking for. 2)Viktor accomplished this contraction of flow to the center by using an effect most have never heard of. He called it a biological vacuum whereby the water and air were broken up and reformed into a denser fluid which contracted inward while being repelled from the exterior walls. This was done by generating a HV plasma which broke up the CO2, O2 in air and H2O then reformed it into CH and O having a lesser volume causing contraction. The HV plasma also charged the material flow with a like charge to that of the exterior walls causing it to be repelled from the walls to the center. Do you see the process?, reform the fluid causing it to contract inward on itself creating a vacuum while repelling it from the exterior walls. The logic should be very easy to understand, there can be no friction if the fluid never contacts or interacts with the exterior walls containing it. The fluid is levitated to the center by electric field forces in the same way a magnetic bearing is levitated to the center by magnetic forces. As such the fluid experiences no drag forces as if it were free falling in a vacuum like outer space. In retrospect it's kind of strange that nobody else thought of this because the physics can be found in most grade school science textbooks. It begs the question, why would we try to force a fluid through a pipe by increasing the pressure-density knowing every force is acting against us and rising by the cube of the velocity?. It's like most decided to use the least efficient most counter productive way of doing things and called it normal without ever thinking about it. The more I learn about Viktor Schaubergers work the more obvious it becomes that most of what we do is counter-productive. I understand it may seem normal to many however that does not change the fact our way of doing things generally creates more problems than it solves. As Viktor Schauberger said... “In every case do the opposite to whatever technology does today. Then you will always be on the right track.” Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #15 on: 2021-03-01, 06:29:16 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Doing some more research today and started on a few 3D printing designs in FreeCad. I have changed my mind about the complexity required and building one of Viktor Schaubergers devices is going to be much easier than I thought. In fact Viktor claimed the majority of the devices could be made of plastic. It's bizarre that so few people have put all the pieces together when the concept in itself is simple. It's basically found in every high school science textbook. It works like nature does and most see some element of the process every day without even knowing it...it's the water cycle. In a nut shell Viktor "dematerializes" water into hydrogen and oxygen in the bottom of the device and the lighter gasses rise. At the top of the device he causes the gasses to "rematerialize" back into water and let's gravity do the work. This is exactly what nature does when water evaporates and rises in the atmosphere and then condenses eventually falling as rain. How could everyone miss something so simple?. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #16 on: 2021-03-02, 19:37:13 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	On Viktor Schaubergers work and science. I have discovered many contradictions lately and Viktor's science is absent in most modern literature. However there is a wealth of real knowledge to be found from 1880 to 1920. This was a time when some of our greatest scientific minds were doing all the experiments trying to figure out how nature worked. They recorded there experiments and what they learned which can be found in places like archive.org and royalsociety.org. If we want to know the real facts social media is not the answer. We should look to the people who invented the science with first hand knowledge. I found every aspect of Viktor's work is already know in the art. All he did was combine multiple phenomena into a single process to copy nature. It's amazing what one can discover once we know what were looking for. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #17 on: 2021-03-10, 21:55:20 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	On the reasons why Viktor Scahubergers work was buried... Viktor was building many new and unique devices meant to harness the power of nature like nature does. The devices were proven to work and based on sound scientific principals until he was attacked by multiple interests and his work vanished. What happened to Viktor was not unlike what happens on social media and in most free energy forums. The moment any real disclosure or debate occurs the "shills" attack it or spam it into oblivion to bury it. The attacks come about for various reasons such as religious nationalism/extremism, political beliefs, fossil fuel/competing interests, vested/personal interests or all of the above. In Viktors case he was attacked on every level by multiple interests who eventually stole everything from him. SHILL, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a vested interest with the belief, person or organization. They also seek to cast doubt or discredit those with interests not serving there own beliefs or interests. In this respect the shills were those in the scientific/engineering community who feared there own work may be in jeopardy, the dirty fossil fuel/energy industry which would have been obliterated and any joe blow who wanted to maintain the status quo or maintain there personal beliefs. Viktor was attacked by almost everyone on every level as it often the case with any new idea or technology. However Viktor was determined to help mankind and word of his work and popularity continued to grow. When the shills could no longer deny his work some boys down in Texas decided to bait him into going to the U.S. where he could be controlled. They made him sign contracts and NDA's so he could no longer share his work or even talk to anyone about it. In the end Viktor said his life was ruined and his work taken by a bunch of self-serving, vile SOB's. Viktor said all was lost and these people took everything he cared about from him. Eventually he had enough and said he wanted to go back home to Austria where he soon died just as he predicted. However all was not lost and like many inventors his work lives on in the many books and literature recording his work. It's all there for those who choose to look. This story should be a lesson for every free energy researcher and builder. There are an untold number of forces with vast resources trying to prevent clean free energy technologies from coming out. Many times it's subtle and they attempt to cast doubt about the harm from issues like pollution, fossil fuel use, global warming and climate change. As if to say they are not really a problem and everything is fine thus there is no need for any new ideas or clean energy technology. Other times they attack or attempt to discredit real debate about free energy or just spam post the researchers until they give up. I believe were better than this and we will prevail... we must because our children's future is at stake. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #18 on: 2021-03-15, 22:42:46 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	I have been making a great deal of progress on a 3D printed version of Viktor Schaubergers device. However I was wrong about one aspect of his designs after reflecting on the science of why it works and the required effects after testing. Being able to admit were wrong about something is considered a learning experience in my opinion. As it turned out standard PLA cannot be used because the central body or upward spiral of the device must be conductive. That is it must be able to conduct free electrons for the desired electrical effects to take place. I'm now looking at carbon fiber or metallic PLA which gets a little more expensive. However it is still cheap when considering the unbelievable metalworking craftsmanship shown in Viktor's devices. How they were able to create such complex twin spiral forms out of copper sheet is beyond me. The notion of 3D printing such a device becomes more appealing each day. We could literally upload an STL file to someone else anywhere on the planet in seconds and they could replicate 95% of the parts in a day. I'm also looking at the bulk conversion of brackish and saltwater to potable water. This in itself would render most RO units and other methods obsolete as there are only 3D printed parts. The science and literature suggest the first pass through the device could remove 90% of contaminates necessitating a batch mode multi-pass or series configuration. However with a 3D printed device doubling the $30 cost for two units is hardly an issue. Think about that, we could literally 3D print a whole house water purification system for around $60... it's mind boggling. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #19 on: 2021-03-25, 23:00:05 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	This is interesting... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170515091124.htm Invention produces cleaner water with less energy and no filter Quote The same technology that adds fizz to soda can now be used to remove particles from dirty water. Researchers at Princeton University have found a technique for using carbon dioxide in a low-cost water treatment system that eliminates the need for costly and complex filters. The system injects CO2 gas into a stream of water as a method of filtering out particles. The gas, which mixes with the water in a system of channels, temporarily changes the water's chemistry. The chemical changes cause the contaminating particles to move to one side of the channel depending on their electrical charge. By taking advantage of this migration, the researchers are able to split the water stream and filter out suspended particles. Apparently this breakthrough is almost 100 years old... from "The Energy Evolution" page 158 In Viktor Schaubergers water purification device he also added CO2 gas while the water inside was under a vacuum as we can see. This process of using electric charges to move contaminating particles and purify water was perfected by Viktor Schauberger. In fact I was experimenting with a similar device last summer whereby activated carbon is placed between two plates of a capacitor and all the contaminates in the water between the plates attach themselves to the electrified carbon medium. It was not an archaic "filter" it was an electric/ion precipitator using electric field attraction as a pseudo-filter. As Centraflow implied, it's all about a charged medium, ions and the forces imparted to them. Later on Viktor Schauberger combined many of these attributes. He literally pulled CO2 out of atmospheric air and reformed it causing an implosion which powered his devices and purified the water moving through it... pure genius. And the old becomes new again... Regards AC ------------------------ Viktor Schauberger's devices VS water purifier.jpg (156.29 kB, 492x558 - viewed 342 times.) --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #20 on: 2021-03-26, 16:04:22 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2017/06/13/tornado-the-electric-model/ Tornado — The Electric Model Quote Previously, in Nature’s Electrode, we looked at an Electric Earth model for lightning genesis driven by a plasma corona formed from condensing and freezing water vapor in the central updraft of the thunderhead. We also looked at the thunderstorm itself, and an electrical model for the circuit that drives it, in The Summer Thermopile. Now let’s consider the most dramatic weather event of all, the tornado, and how these massively destructive whirlwinds are also formed by a plasma corona in a thunderstorm. For air to become plasma and carry current, the air has to be partially ionized. A plasma state can be defined by “plasma density” — the number of free electrons per unit volume, and the “degree of ionization” — the proportion of atoms ionized by loss, or gain of an electron. A gas with as little as 1% of the particles ionized is a plasma, responding to magnetic fields and displaying high electrical conductivity. A partially ionized plasma is often referred to as a cold plasma and highly ionized plasma is referred to as hot. Discharge from a corona is predominately a cold, dark current, invisible to the eye. ------------------------ Viktor Schauberger's devices marklund current.jpg (39.74 kB, 720x540 - viewed 334 times.) --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Allcanadian	Re: Viktor Schauberger's devices « Reply #21 on: 2021-03-31, 05:37:39 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	For room 3327 to review --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

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