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Our friend Johan has contributed some amazing work towards this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF_3rfuT46g

these links were forwarded from him


https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends

http://www.mandieselturbo-greentechnology.com/category_000509.html

http://www.sit-hamburg.com/home.html

http://www.hielscher.com/emulsify_01.htm

http://strey.uni-koeln.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Download/WATER___BIOFUEL_MICROEMULSIONS.pdf

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 I will also be experimenting with the attached translated patent which is not Johan's Work but involves similar elements.

  I recently acquired an old Ruggerini /Mase single cylinder marine genset for this project [needs some simple repairs first]
Should be very simple to play with [thx to Johan]

Thx
Chet
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 also from Johan
Inspiration...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html
« Last Edit: 2014-08-14, 19:35:31 by Chet K »
   
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this is the Ruggerini /mase generator I acquired for these experiments
not getting fuel to the injector

trying to identify the model so I can get the manual ,I believe its around 300CC

I'll try to get some better pics


Also a friend has given full use of a very expensive exhaust gas spectrum analyzer for this project.

thx
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Dear Chet.

Please see attached picture. I have shown the stop/start solenoid. This may be the cause of the pump not working ??  However they are sometimes used as a simple decompressor. You will have to check what it does mechanically behind that cover.

As a quick test to see if the engine runs spray a little Diesel oil using a hand type atomising sprayer. Something like an old detergent sprayer. And whilst spaying crank her over.  And another old dodge, soak a rag tightly bound to a stick like a medieval hand torch with some Diesel oil, light it and place the burning flame very near the air intake. She should fire up with ease !!  :)  You are so lucky !!  My Petter is a hand crank, backbreaking !!  :)

Cheers Graham.


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Yes I did fire her on ether prior to digging into the fuel system,it has a main pump which feeds the injector pump,the main pump is working fine however the injector pump is not sending fuel,I suspect there is an issue under that cover [which you pointed out]
I need to get it into the shop [it weighs a ton]  and up onto the bench.

your help and advice is greatly appreciated

thx
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Hi Chet,

Your Injector-Pump: Bosch?
Did have this problem more than once' before, with different engine's, The current sold Diesel, is not so greasy as before anymore, when I was younger! ;-))
Meaning: In your engine, the piston of the injector pump is blocked by carbonized Diesel fuel, its over time converted to a kind of solid crystalline pulver.

But a Great Engine for your purpose, water-cooled!!
So your later easy capable of choosing different working / operating temperatures, we did run also High-Pressure cooling systems up-to 125C, for the Free-Energy of the than increasing the Flash-Steam effect.

Only when the engine before did use Salty water as for cooling, check all the pass-trough, in head & cilinder, amazing how salty water eats the Guss-Iron! We did have to order New Cilinder & Piston and Cilinder-Head for a second-hand FaryMann type 18W.

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Yes thankfully its a Bosch pump hopefully if I need parts I can get them ,however Ruggerini seems to have fallen off the face of the earth [no parts anywhere].

probably needs a good tear down and cleanup.

thanks for looking in here.

Chet
   
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Hi Chet,

Yep, Reading, building and testing we do a lot more, than keyboard, because, they are not yet that far: Still most in non-feeling ego dream state?

But some very nice / funny builds further! ;-))

About: Ruggerini, they are part of Kohler-Group!

http://www.epgengines.com.au/engines/ruggerini-diesel-engines/

The Injector pump: Just cleaning and running again!

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Dear Johan.

Do you have any idea where in the UK I can obtain Lithium Dodecyl Sulfate detergent ?

I have done all the usual searches nothing is apparent !!

Cheers Graham.


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Dear Johan.

Do you have any idea where in the UK I can obtain Lithium Dodecyl Sulfate detergent ?

I have done all the usual searches nothing is apparent !!

Cheers Graham.

Dear Graham,

After our Henkel & UniLever experience from NL, when you ask for the a special soap, its getting a real soap sky KmHigh, and you pay for the soap, like Politics! ;-))

Here in Spain, we did do more simple:
Did ask my girl, bring all the brands of liquid soap you can find, and we did test them all, time and tuning (love) is the key for all results and clean, we are using a soap for dishes, plates 0.79 Euro for 1.5ltr?

The testing just mixed in small quantities / batches of a half ltr pre-mixed, and a Flowmeter to compare with non & other mixes.

The EF-kits here at clients running mostly on: 75% Diesel, 24% Water, 1% of the soap, but just test every engine type a bit different, also with Aceton, Alcohol, Ammonia , bbbbb....e..........kl........p...x. zzz , the only 1% soap in our mix is compared to the 75% Diesel not for making a stabile mix, so have to keep it moving/running, best mixed with a simple cavitation/impeller pump, did send Chet a simple example circuit.

But with your love for Mechanic, and feelings for a motor, the first time is a bit of a oeps, did we do that, water!

Ach, the first time's of/in our life!?

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Pick me up a bottle too   O0

http://www.overunity.com/13896/hho-hydrogen-and-diesel-injection-the-truth/15/#.VAUTPsVdWXY

but seriously,  we should try to source this exact product even though Johan has said that lithium is used in many cheap soaps ..

I am going to find/make the time to tear down the ruggerini pump tomorrow and get this puppy barkin !

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Dear Chet.

As promised !!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHM7FMHhyiE

It seems to us that just about any household washing up liquid will emulsify the oil and water.  The acid test will be on the Petter who's bulk resides deep in the bowels of my workshop !!  :)

Cheers Graham.


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Very nice , Grum and son, can't wait to see the engine fired up on this.

Good work as usual.

regards, ION


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wonderful to see your Boy helping you with this project ,

@All
Johan reminded me that this has been a long time coming,  see the first dates in this link



*** this link yields raw data which needs to be manually searched by the user [links no longer connect]
take the time to search some of these names and patents and you will see where we are going with this.... O0


https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends





gonna be fun!!

thx
Chet

« Last Edit: 2014-09-02, 20:27:42 by Chet K »
   

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Arie De Gues said that Boron compounds could be used in place of Lithium, it turns out that Boron is used in lots of soaps as well as a bleaching agent.
If you were to use something like Sodium Perborate then you would get added Oxygen release, although this can be expensive, i would personally be inclined to try Boric acid dissolved in either Methanol or acetone, Boric acid is dirt cheap and easily available.

I published the mix ratios earlier in one of the other threads

Arie says you only need hydrogen to bond with either Lithium or Boron atom to create fusion, although fusion mainly releases heat and therefore you need something in the mix that creates the combustion gasses to be heated and expanded.

Lithium fusion releases twice the energy of Boron fusion but the energy release is huge and therefore Boron should be a lot more controllable, only 1% of the Boron mix will fuse and even then the energy release is still huge, the biggest problem will be keeping the engine cool, and to keep the combustion pressure within operating limits.

The higher the compression ratio the more chance you get for fusion and potentially a higher percentage will fuse, you would need a slightly Hydrogen rich fuel mix, Helium production will be a result from Fusion which will add to the combustion gasses.
   
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Yes the Continuity with these claims and Arie's does open the Eyes...

reading the links from Brax Peace [provided By Johan]

https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends

the continuity in _those_ claims is astounding and very encouraging.


and we see that this is very very simple and doable by Garage mechanics in its most basic rendering [ fuel emulsification] ,from there we can proceed with the rest of the experiments.

however if we find 25% water in diesel gives the same output power with cleaner emissions,  that's a win win for the planet all by itself...

everything else will be gravy!!

great stuff
Chet

 
   

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Dear All.

The "beast" has been awakened!! My Petter AV1 was last started some 25 years ago !!  I acquired it from my first employer the Wrexham and East Denbighshire Water Company some 30 years ago.  This engine was used to drive a standby High pressure water pump in case of mains electricity failure.  Needless to say it never ran in anger, I would be surprised if it has had 5 hours on it's clock !!

This evening saw it's reawakening about half an hour or so de seizing the Bryce Injector pump, bleeding the system and voila, fired up on the 3rd turn !!

She was jumping wildly up and down so a suitable frame will have to be made to accommodate some form of load device. Cooling tank, etc. etc. I have attached a couple of pictures, I found it strange that the Company painted the ancillary's in the light blue livery but not the engine itself!! ??

Cheers Grum.


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Dear All.

I know that a few of you are aware of our success, yes, a short run using a 50/50 mix of Diesel and soapy water !! I could tell from the exhaust smell that the engine was running very lean, acrid, acidic smell and a whitish smoke.

The run was short lived because the emulsion soon reverted back to oil and water bringing the Petter to a halt.

I have formulated a plan which I hope will ensure an homogenous mix is received by the Injector pump so we can continue with our experiments. Your thoughts/comments, are of course, very welcome.

I intend to use two ex motorcycle Two stroke oil injector pumps, see attachment, driven by a small DC variable speed motor. These pumps have a variable stroke controlled by an external rotatable cam. I intend to run one pump with fuel and the other with soapy water, the outputs of which I intend to combine on the suction side of a small Windscreen washer pump. These pumps are of a very simple nature having a small soft rubber impellor which should combine the two liquids quite nicely.  ;) I then intend to connect the output as close as is possible to the Bryce injector pump. My hope ??  That the mix will be transferred to the Injector before it can become separated !!

On the plus side this assembly can ensure that a full Diesel oil start is achieved and then a variable mix can be applied as the engine comes up to working temperature.   O0

Cheers Graham.


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Hi Graham,

I believe that the system had two injectors, one for diesel and the other for water.

I would also check the oil, I believe the steam would turn back to water in the crank case.

This technique was use in jet engines for cooling and efficiency.

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Its been a long time since I turned wrenches on aircraft ,however This concept as offered By Johan and the many other examples in the BraxPeace link he shared

https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends

is something different ,   on Jets we ran .0xxx percent water to fuel, not one to one ratio.

that being said,  I think the one to one ratio in this configuration is quite an aggressive Ratio and will need other elements [as outlined in the Brax links] to work properly.

Johan has said 25-30 percent water to fuel  ratio in the many links he has shared here and elsewhere.

My engine [diesel genset] will be going back together next week , it will be good to qualify some load tests as well as the other "additives" and associated claims.

I am quite certain Graham will be testing these things Too,it is wonderful to have his vast experience here.

This is going to be very interesting  O0

thx
Chet
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Of course nothing new to Johan

here is his 35 KW 50% fuel,  load test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF_3rfuT46g
« Last Edit: 2014-09-06, 23:56:56 by Chet K »
   
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Hi,

There is Pre-Water injection: eff +4-8%.
Direct in the inlet like from: http://www.aquamist.co.uk/ , currently still used in charged engine's, cooling engine internally before braking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MW_50

Emulsified Fuel 1: eff +18-26%.
To mix on demand or premixed purchase at: http://www.quadrisefuels.com , these is used by Maersk, translate, emfuel.com

Emulsified Fuel 2: eff +42-58%.
Same as EF1, with double EGR, HHO and higher Engine and Inlet Temp.

No worry about the water in CrankCase dome: Because a good working / used 4-stroke has a oil temp of far over 100C, so venting all possible water and condens out, its a simple! ;-))

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Hi,

Nice explanation in this attached document from a Ukraine Colleague.

EF1, combined with a bit HHO, can also to be used on Oil-Burners.

Regards, Johan
   

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Rudolf Gunnerman developed emulsified fuel/water
mixes.

Interesting read.

More about Rudolf.

Couple more links. (Dead links, unfortunately)

« Last Edit: 2014-09-07, 17:45:47 by muDped »


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Yes the Catepillar deal with Gunnerman was also in the BraxPeace link from Johan

https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends

a long history of success and hopefully some replications to follow...

thx
Chet

   
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