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Peterae	Avramenko Plug Experiments « on: 2010-01-29, 12:56:06 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	Wow i didnt realize that real power could be used using an Avramenko Plug I am using a 230v Spark Arrestor it also works as well with a 600v spark Arrestor, a 1.5kv 100nF Cap and 2 Uf4007 diodes. I am using my Bemf pulser to feed the plug. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgLbsUAzqgg[/youtube] Peter

darkspeed	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #1 on: 2010-01-29, 16:39:27 »
Group: Guest	Cool.. Peterae.. So your are getting a recovery every 75ns? Looks like your body is acting like a virtual ground ( sink ) and adding capacitance to one side of the circuit.

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #2 on: 2010-01-29, 18:54:37 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	Hi Ds Yes very interesting playing with this, i could run 2 of those sg's at the same time with 2 plugs, where as i had trouble running 1 sg with my BEMF generator even after a 5 stage walton cockroft multiplier.

darkspeed	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #3 on: 2010-01-29, 19:23:40 »
Group: Guest	Hi Peterae, I like thinks like this! The faster the diode the more unidirectional that pulse will be.. ie. less times the cap will ring through the arc in the sg. When the diode does its job you kind of have to sit around and wait for the 75ns to elapse before it is ready to cycle again. lol.. I had always wanted to put say five diodes in parallel and in line with each diode put a resistor with a slightly different value than the next. R , R+1 , R+2 , etc... The proposed result being the lowest value resistor R would focus cycle 1 through its diode holding off all the other diodes then say 5ns later the next pulse would see the first diode still trying to recover so it would hit the next path of least resistance R+1 and hit its diode... Sort of a diode cascade.. I dont know if it would work but it may be worth a try.. \|---WWW---->\|------\| R \|---WWW---->\|------\| R+1 \|---WWW---->\|------\| R+2 \|---WWW---->\|------\| R+3

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #4 on: 2010-01-29, 20:03:34 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	Very interesting Ds I will see if i can give it a try. Peter

darkspeed	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #5 on: 2010-01-29, 20:24:09 »
Group: Guest	I dont know if it will work but it may be wort a shot.. What happens if you put a diode across the cap?? Does it kill the sg? Thanks

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #6 on: 2010-01-29, 20:41:04 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	Not tried the diode but i can do, what values of resistance do you think i should try?

darkspeed	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #7 on: 2010-01-30, 08:19:37 »
Group: Guest	Peterae, I dont know.. It takes very little difference for a pulse to choose one diode path over another, that is why most people will use the same value resistor inline with diodes when they build a parallel bank, it evens out the load rather than overloading one diode. It would take some experimenting..

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #8 on: 2010-01-31, 11:55:07 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	2 more Tests on the Avramenko Plug This time i am using the gap to drive a 240VAC trandformer Primary and connecting a 12v 5 Watt bulb to the 2 18VAC secondaries which are in parallel. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EmMLKY6Z9M[/youtube] The second test is the same but using 2 very different diodes which are rated for 20kv@3A no difference can be seen. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0x_c27y1mA[/youtube] Peter

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #9 on: 2010-01-31, 12:17:51 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	As Requested by ds here's a vid of a diode across the Cap [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJKBQrkNzU[/youtube] Peter

darkspeed	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #10 on: 2010-01-31, 20:22:43 »
Group: Guest	This should make it run bright without the need for the cast iron ------------------------ Avramenko Plug Experiments plug.jpg (38.07 kB, 873x407 - viewed 8645 times.)

Grumpy	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #11 on: 2010-02-01, 14:07:13 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	the original article on the Plug showed it connected to one terminal of a HV transformer

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #12 on: 2010-02-02, 11:06:13 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	Just done a rough power calculation. Using 3 x 1000uF caps in series to give a measured value of 315uF Using a 90v gap which was firing at 112v I averaged the time over 20 gap fires with the long sink wire connected to the positive side and also to the negative side to see if there was a difference. Input Supply was 125V @ 11mA = 1.375 Watts. Cap energy @ 112v is =1.976 Joules now i am assuming the gap discharges the cap to 0v which is unlikely, so the following calcs are maximum values. Positive wire 20 gap fires over 2:20:87 seconds. =7.00435 = average seconds per gap fire Given that a watt is joules/second this gives 282mW Negative wire 20 gap fires over 2:18:746 seconds. =6.9373 average seconds per gap fire = 285mW These values are inline with the brightness of the bulb in the above experiments, i estimated about 0.25 watts at the brightness they showed. It must be noted i think i can get a more efficient power supply running to power Avramenko plug to increase the cop. Peter

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #13 on: 2010-02-02, 11:17:27 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	I have now measured the Transformer Inductance Primary is 3.351 Henry @ 120Hz Series R is 670 Ohms Secondary in series with bulb is 118.72mH @ 120Hz Series R is 40.21 Ohms So if i use 2 x 500nF caps for my primary that will give a resonant freq of 122.97Hz which means i will need a 14.11uF cap on my secondary Peter « Last Edit: 2010-02-02, 12:33:55 by Peterae »

darkspeed	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #14 on: 2010-02-05, 18:55:10 »
Group: Guest	Peterae, you may want to use a variable capacitor or variable inductor in line to tune it in? I dont see where you took into account the self capacity of the inductors in calculating your tank?? Did I miss that??

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #15 on: 2010-02-05, 20:14:20 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	Hi Ds I tried the resonance circuit above, but the gap wouldn't fire, i guess because it's dc across the plug then there is no way for the dc to get to the SG as it's blocked by both inline caps. My last test used 3 x 1000uF caps in series to get a higher volt cap and with a 90v SG across this i timed the fire rate and determined the maximum power my cap was charging at, and because i knew my input power i concluded i was way under unity with this setup. Another thing i proved was that 2 AV plugs do load the supply and the cop doesn't improve. If i build a better supply then i may re try some readings, but for now i have shelved this for the ability of going OU. Peter

BEP	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #16 on: 2010-02-05, 22:48:38 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: darkspeed on 2010-01-29, 19:23:40 Hi Peterae, I like thinks like this! The faster the diode the more unidirectional that pulse will be.. ie. less times the cap will ring through the arc in the sg. When the diode does its job you kind of have to sit around and wait for the 75ns to elapse before it is ready to cycle again. lol.. I had always wanted to put say five diodes in parallel and in line with each diode put a resistor with a slightly different value than the next. R , R+1 , R+2 , etc... The proposed result being the lowest value resistor R would focus cycle 1 through its diode holding off all the other diodes then say 5ns later the next pulse would see the first diode still trying to recover so it would hit the next path of least resistance R+1 and hit its diode... Sort of a diode cascade.. I dont know if it would work but it may be worth a try.. \|---WWW---->\|------\| R \|---WWW---->\|------\| R+1 \|---WWW---->\|------\| R+2 \|---WWW---->\|------\| R+3 Works more like you want if you replace the resistors with very small inductors - each stage with a little more inductance. Each stage would be as follows: input to diode then output of diode to one side of cap (other side of cap to minus) then input of cap to a coil - coil to another diode - output of diode to load. Tie all the inputs together and then all output together to make one circuit. You won't see power this way but you can send one long pulse to the input and have several pulses out. This is a basic passive frequency multiplier. Enjoy

Grumpy	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #17 on: 2010-02-08, 13:09:55 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Peterae on 2010-02-05, 20:14:20 Hi Ds I tried the resonance circuit above, but the gap wouldn't fire, i guess because it's dc across the plug then there is no way for the dc to get to the SG as it's blocked by both inline caps. My last test used 3 x 1000uF caps in series to get a higher volt cap and with a 90v SG across this i timed the fire rate and determined the maximum power my cap was charging at, and because i knew my input power i concluded i was way under unity with this setup. Another thing i proved was that 2 AV plugs do load the supply and the cop doesn't improve. If i build a better supply then i may re try some readings, but for now i have shelved this for the ability of going OU. Peter can you post a quick sketch of the circuit you used to drive the A-Plug?

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #18 on: 2010-02-08, 19:35:52 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	Hi Chaps I was using my blocking mono to drive the Av plug it's all here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=68.0 Peter

Grumpy	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #19 on: 2010-02-08, 20:11:49 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Peterae on 2010-02-08, 19:35:52 Hi Chaps I was using my blocking mono to drive the Av plug it's all here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=68.0 Peter did you ground the plug?

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #20 on: 2010-02-08, 20:14:16 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	no i dont have a ground yet, i have a massive cast iron machine behind my bench and found it's mass was enough to produce good effects, the other option was for me to touch it, i guess a metal sphere would have also worked The Av Plug was connected to the positive terminal of the blocking mono only

Grumpy	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #21 on: 2010-02-08, 20:23:15 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Peterae on 2010-02-08, 20:14:16 no i dont have a ground yet, i have a massive cast iron machine behind my bench and found it's mass was enough to produce good effects, the other option was for me to touch it, i guess a metal sphere would have also worked The Av Plug was connected to the positive terminal of the blocking mono only http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm high voltage 2-diodes - cap - gap - no ground US patent is 6104107 Naudin's replication: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm

Peterae	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #22 on: 2010-02-12, 22:31:12 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3960	It's interesting that Paulo & Alexandra Correa use an Avremenko config, but with 2 caps in series with the earth in the middle. Now if we were to connect Don's secondary's across each cap i wonder if we could convert back to longitudinal waves or reconvert the energy using a reverse Tesla coil. ------------------------ Avramenko Plug Experiments Fig7.gif (2.73 kB, 501x101 - viewed 5288 times.)

stprue	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #23 on: 2010-02-13, 22:57:18 »
Full Member Posts: 209	Peter, thanks for posting this as I have been just starting to test with AV stuff!

Grumpy	Re: Avramenko Plug Experiments « Reply #24 on: 2010-02-15, 13:32:36 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Peterae on 2010-02-12, 22:31:12 It's interesting that Paulo & Alexandra Correa use an Avremenko config, but with 2 caps in series with the earth in the middle. Now if we were to connect Don's secondary's across each cap i wonder if we could convert back to longitudinal waves or reconvert the energy using a reverse Tesla coil. Tesla mentioned that the secondary could be directly coupled to the primary if necesary. As I recall, it prevents arcing between the two. Dollard directly coupled. The Avremenko config appears to convert the converted energy back into conventional current. I believe the TPU utilizes a field interaction effect to accomplish this same feat - hence the static DC field. In a Tesla Magnifier, the energy interacts with the standing wave produced during resonance. Tesla even published diagrams showing the nodes and anti nodes along the length of his magnifier coil. You can not take the converted energy straight of the top terminal and drive conventional loads with it, but you will find that you can make several recievers that convert the same quantity of energy.

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