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Thank you for taking the time to experimant and sharing your findings,
My comprehension skills are fairly good,It seems to me that you feel this settup will bring in excess energy?
Am I understanding this wrong?
Thank you
Chet
Also
Stefan did some research,
Here,
Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #179 on: Today at 01:29:27 PM »I studied some more the basics of capacitors and what we probably have here with the
Joule Ringer is, that the short discharge pulses are just recharged by dielectric absorption:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_absorptionDielectric absorption is the name given to the effect by which a capacitor that has been charged for a long time discharges only incompletely when briefly discharged. Although an ideal capacitor would remain at zero volts after being discharged, real capacitors will develop a small voltage, a phenomenon that is also called soakage or battery action. For some dielectrics, such as many polymer films, the resulting voltage may be less than 1-2% of the original voltage, but it can be as much as 15 - 25% for electrolytic capacitors or supercapacitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_capacitor#Dielectric_absorption_.28soakage.29Some types of dielectrics, when they have been holding a voltage for a long time, maintain a "memory" of that voltage: after they have been quickly fully discharged and left without an applied voltage, a voltage will gradually be established which is some fraction of the original voltage. For some dielectrics 10% or more of the original voltage may reappear. This phenomenon of unwanted charge storage is called dielectric absorption or soakage, and it effectively creates a hysteresis or memory effect in capacitors.
The percentage of the original voltage restored depends upon the dielectric and is a non-linear function of original voltage.[2]
In many applications of capacitors dielectric absorption is not a problem but in some applications, such as long-time-constant integrators, sample-and-hold circuits, switched-capacitor analog-to-digital converters, and very low-distortion filters, it is important that the capacitor does not recover a residual charge after full discharge, and capacitors with low absorption are specified[3]. For safety, high-voltage capacitors are often stored with their terminals short circuited.
Some dielectrics have very low dielectric absorption, e.g., polystyrene, polypropylene, NPO ceramic, and Teflon. Others, in particular those used in electrolytic and supercapacitors, tend to have high absorption.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondensator_%28Elektrotechnik%29#Temperaturabh.C3.A4ngigkeitKondensatortyp Dielektrische Absorption
Kunststoff-Folienkondensatoren, Polyesterdielektrikum 0,2 bis 0,25 %
Kunststoff-Folienkondensatoren, Polypropylendielektrikum 0,01 bis 0,05 %
Keramikkondensatoren, X7R 0,6 bis 1 %
Keramikkondensatoren, Z5U 2,0 bis 2,5 %
Aluminium-Elektrolytkondensatoren etwa 10 bis 15 %
So alufoil electrolyte caps can have an automatic recharge rate of 15 % due to
dielectric absorption !
So it really depends also on what kind of electrolyte capacitor you are using for the Joule Ringer circuit.
It must be a cap that has a high dielectric absorption !
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